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I really don't know where this would be strictly on topic. Are todays printer manufacturers as bad as ever at forcing you to throw away half full ink cartidges? JimL  SignatureMost people are deaf - unless they like what they hear. On Oct 25, 12:02 pm, inkleput...@ETEisp.com wrote: > I really don't know where this would be strictly on topic. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Most people are deaf - unless they like what they hear. I hear Epson is still bad for that. I've personally totally given up on the inkjet printer rip-off. You may want to take a look at this: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=32996 23&CatId=2712 I've been using these for more than a year now at home and have yet to buy a replacement cartridge. Also, it has separate colour cartridges for black, red, cyan and yellow, so you only replace the one that is used, unlike inkjets where, if one colour fails, you throw out the entire cartridge. With the model I indicated, I attach it to one computer and network it for the other computers to access and use. Of course this only works if the computer it is attached to is turned on. But, if you want to set up printer sharing via a router with a print server or a simple print server, there is a similar model that has this capability for a few dollars more. Claymore <claymore@ontera.net> said: >http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=32996 23&CatId=2712 Thanks. Wow. $300 bucks worth of toner cartridges to get started. Kinda high for an old fart on SS. How do these inks stand up to moisture/water? JimL SignatureMost people are deaf - unless they like what they hear. > I really don't know where this would be strictly on topic. > > Are todays printer manufacturers as bad as ever at forcing you to throw > away half full ink cartidges? > > JimL Well I do a lot of photo printing and the Epson printers seem to be OK in that you can keep right on printing. When the ink gets too low to complete an image... it refuses to print...thus at least saving a piece of paper. > I really don't know where this would be strictly on topic. > > Are todays printer manufacturers as bad as ever at forcing you to throw > away half full ink cartidges? > > JimL My Epson Stylus Photo R260 uses six individual cartridges which seems to help. My last Espon Stylus Photo had a black and a color cartridge so I'm sure some color ink was wasted. Funny thing about those six individual cartridges. I can buy the standard cartridge or go to Espon's web page and buy the "high capacity" cartridges for about 40% to 50% more $ and get about 50% more capacity than the standard cartridges (Epson says). The "high capacity" isn't any bigger a cartridge so it appears the standard cartridge isn't filled up all the way? What the heck, the six cartridges cost more than the printer. But it makes a great photo print! SignatureJD.. > inkleput...@ETEisp.com wrote: > > I really don't know where this would be strictly on topic. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > -- > JD.. Hi folks, You should all read this: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,132969/article.html It reinforces the OP's question. >> inkleput...@ETEisp.com wrote: >>> I really don't know where this would be strictly on topic. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > It reinforces the OP's question. From the article: By contrast, models made by Epson and one HP inkjet, were shown to have efficiency levels of around 80 percent. Much like philo who replied to this thread, I don't replace the cartridge until the printer refuses to print. The printer can blink for weeks but I keep printing with no problems. AT some point it will force me to replace the cartridge and then I do. SignatureJD.. Claymore <claymore@ontera.net> said: >> inkleput...@ETEisp.com wrote: >> > I really don't know where this would be strictly on topic. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> -- >> JD.. >Hi folks, >You should all read this: >http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,132969/article.html >It reinforces the OP's question. Perhaps I might tell what prompted my post. I've been using an HP Deskjet 930C for some time. For about a year I've been able to refill cartridges for it using semi-bulk ink. I've followed a procedure that is supposed to reset something in the older printers - and it has been working until recently. It may be that the foil contacts just wore out, being intended as junk in the first place. Anyway I've been wondering about getting a new printer, but there isn't much point if they are as bad with ink as they have been in the past. JimL SignatureMost people are deaf - unless they like what they hear. On Oct 25, 8:39 pm, inkleput...@ETEisp.com wrote: > Claymore <claym...@ontera.net> said: > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Sorry about your trouble. I'm pretty sure you can't refill the same cartridge indefinitely. I gave up on refilling cartridges years ago, even the store-bought refurbished ones. Never had any lasting success. And, as I said, I no longer support the inkjet printer scam. If you can possibly afford it, go with laser. The initial outlay might be daunting, but you'll save in the end. I did a cost study on this at my place of work. Regards > Claymore <claymore@ontera.net> said: > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > JimL If you're happy with your current printer, why not buy a new cartridge and continue to refill it until you wear out the contacts again? Since you refer to yourself as an old fart on SS, what have you bought lately that wasn't intended to wear out quickly? Did you look at the article Claymore referenced? It said, models made by Epson and one HP inkjet, were shown to have efficiency levels of around 80 percent. You may already have one of the more efficient? I like the Epson printers that use five colors, they seem to print a better photo because they use five colors instead of three. SignatureJD.. JD <JD@example.invalid> said: >If you're happy with your current printer, why not buy a new cartridge >and continue to refill it until you wear out the contacts again? Already on the way. I'll be a sad ombre if the problem is in the printer and not the carts. >you refer to yourself as an old fart on SS, what have you bought lately >that wasn't intended to wear out quickly? You're so right. I grew up in a time when people actually fixed things instead of throwing them away. Of course back then things were fixable - screwed together instead of glued together, etc. The American auto industry just about doomed itself putting planned obsolescence into cars, triggering the move to foreign cars. But apparently the practice still works on smaller ticket items. Everything's disposable now. >Did you look at the article Claymore referenced? It said, models made by >Epson and one HP inkjet, were shown to have efficiency levels of around >80 percent. You may already have one of the more efficient I didn't find Epson inkjets much to my liking. I had two - one a warranty replacement just as junky as the first. They both dried out cartridges almost overnight. I've never had that problem with HP DeskJet. Actually I didn't find them to be nearly as good on ink as the article suggested either. I had a couple Canon Bubblejets I liked, but newer models didn't cut it for me. One thing about the "better" HP reference. I've found the 930C carts to last as long as any or longer. My original question was about the industry in general. JimL SignatureMost people are deaf - unless they like what they hear. On Oct 26, 7:43 pm, inkleput...@ETEisp.com wrote: > JD <J...@example.invalid> said: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Most people are deaf - unless they like what they hear. "I didn't find Epson inkjets much to my liking. I had two - one a warranty replacement just as junky as the first." Of course, you realize that the study was commissioned by Epson. Not sayin' - just sayin'. > snip > > Of course, you realize that the study was commissioned by Epson. > Not sayin' - just sayin'. I need to scroll back up to see who referenced us to the article: >Claymore wrote: >http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,132969/article.html Never mind.. SignatureJD.. > JD <JD@example.invalid> said: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Already on the way. I'll be a sad ombre if the problem is in the printer > and not the carts. I hope the solution is that simple. One thing we forgot to discuss was the cost of the cartridge and the age of the printer. If the printer is really old then it might be time to replace the printer. Do post back if the new cartridge fixed the problem, OK? >> you refer to yourself as an old fart on SS, what have you bought lately >> that wasn't intended to wear out quickly? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > triggering the move to foreign cars. But apparently the practice still > works on smaller ticket items. Everything's disposable now. Glued not screwed together? I took apart one of my older Epson printers and it wasn't even glued together, it was just snapped together. Not that easy to snap back together but I did and it still didn't work. >> Did you look at the article Claymore referenced? It said, models made by >> Epson and one HP inkjet, were shown to have efficiency levels of around [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > either. I had a couple Canon Bubblejets I liked, but newer models didn't > cut it for me. My older Epsons had a problem with the ink jets clogging. There was a work around that would fix that but my latest Epson doesn't seem to have that problem. Keep in mind I use the Photo version of Epson printers. > One thing about the "better" HP reference. I've found the 930C carts to > last as long as any or longer. My original question was about the > industry in general. > > JimL SignatureJD.. JD <JD@example.invalid> said: >> Already on the way. I'll be a sad ombre if the problem is in the printer >> and not the carts. >I hope the solution is that simple. One thing we forgot to discuss was >the cost of the cartridge and the age of the printer. If the printer is >really old then it might be time to replace the printer. Do post back if >the new cartridge fixed the problem, OK? Well, well. The new cartridges didn't work on the old desktop with an old OS (I had been running the printer through a network). Following a hunch I hooked up the printer via USB dierctly to my ThinkPad with XP - it worked. On another hunch I tried the old refilled carts on the XP hookup - no joy. I've been messing around with computers since Tandy's Model 1 was a gleam in someone's eye and still want to throw them out a 200 story window every now and then. JimL SignatureMost people are deaf - unless they like what they hear. > JD <JD@example.invalid> said: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > JimL OK. Sounds like you can start refilling the new one. SignatureJD.. If you are worried about the cost of the ink I understand there is a new Kodak color inkjet printer on the market where the ink is like $5.00 for Black and $12.00 for colour..........and it has almost double the print capacity. I am sure a little research would turn it up on google peter >I really don't know where this would be strictly on topic. > > Are todays printer manufacturers as bad as ever at forcing you to throw > away half full ink cartidges? > > JimL |
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