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Cost per page - Inkjet printers
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Don Schmidt - 15 Feb 2008 11:48 GMT Anyone know the approximate cost for ink and paper per page is?
Black & White
Color
I'm not splitting any atoms here; some years ago it was anywhere from 40¢ to 80¢
Many thanks.
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VanguardLH - 15 Feb 2008 12:01 GMT > Anyone know the approximate cost for ink and paper per page is? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Many thanks. Quality of paper. Wholesale or volume versus retail purchase of paper. Inkjet cartridge supplier. Discount or full retail price on ink cartridge. Printing plain text, text w/images, or photographic-quality images. Reverse printing (white on black on white paper) versus normal (black on white paper) Draft versus normal versus high-quality print modes. Letting cartridges dry out so their ports get plugged with dry ink that results in trashing a cartridge with ink still in it (i.e., not using the cartridge enough to keep the jets clean). Whether you are purchasing cartridges for late model, antiquated models, rare models, or popular models of printers. Which brand of printer, availability of cartridges, production volume, number 3rd party cartridge suppliers, market competition.
I'm sure there are lots of other factors to the cost per page. Since only you know which brand and model of inkjet printer that you have or are considering to purchase, what paper you will use, what you will print, and if you will buy the brand-name retail cartridges, 3rd party cartridge suppliers, or refill the cartridges is only known to you since none of that was divulged in your post.
You obviously have Internet access. Do your own research on whatever you use or intend to use.
Don Schmidt - 15 Feb 2008 18:31 GMT I did do several searches as you suggest but like you no where did anyone come up with cost per page.
I've tagged this the Amelia Earhart project. The solution is out there; just can't be found.
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>> Anyone know the approximate cost for ink and paper per page is? >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > You obviously have Internet access. Do your own research on whatever you > use or intend to use. Shenan Stanley - 15 Feb 2008 19:14 GMT <snipped> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics/browse_frm/thre ad/d2b9017b4329b250/ce47c483a117dc3a?lnk=st&q=insubject%3ACost+insubject%3Aper+i nsubject%3Apage+insubject%3A-+insubject%3AInkjet+insubject%3Aprinters#ce47c483a1 17dc3a
> I did do several searches as you suggest but like you no where did > anyone come up with cost per page. > > I've tagged this the Amelia Earhart project. The solution is out > there; just can't be found. You are looking for some 'hard and fast number' when in reality - it would be different given the many factors listed and those factors are unique to you. If you want to know the cost-per-page, you have to calculate that yourself.
1) How much did the printer cost _you_ originally? 2) How much does your paper that _you_ utilize cost? 3) How much does replacement ink/ink cartidges cost _you_? 4) How many pages do _you_ get out of each ink cartridge (set of cartridges)?
Those 4 things should give you a basic way of calculating what you want.
For example - if you have a printer (black only for this example - say it cost $100 originally) where the ink cost you $30/purchase and the paper cost you $3 per ream (500 sheets to a ream) and the cartridge gives you 500 sheets of quality printouts and that *is* the way things are...
Simple calculation (negating the cost of the printer): 500/$33.00 = $0.15 per page.
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VanguardLH - 16 Feb 2008 02:29 GMT >I did do several searches as you suggest but like you no where did >anyone come up with cost per page. Well, *do* you have an inkjet printer? If yes then you can do your own research. Find out what a ream of paper costs of the quality and type that you intend to buy. Find out what the printer costs (don't know if you are including that cost and over what time interval before discarding the printer). Find out what the ink cartridges cost, whether you are getting them retail, discounted online, refilled, or using refill kits. Unless you do your own testing printing, you could try using the average consumption specs offered by whomever's printer you use. If you don't have an inkjet printer, you could pretend you have one and still use all the above number.
Don Schmidt - 16 Feb 2008 03:32 GMT Yes, I have figured out if I total the number of the Black, Cyan, Magenta and Yellow cartridges so they all exhaust at the same time assuming I'll use more of one color than another but do proceed with this plan and print an average color combinations and then continued to print pages until the inks exhaust I would have the numbers for the solution. BUT, being 76 years of age, I may run out of time before I go to room temperature. So, being an engineer by profession I've done the next best thing, referred the problem to my staff, the folks here on the N.G. And being the team leader reviewing the data, getting the supporting assurance from the project team, I've come up with 42.5¢ per page. And because of your undying loyalty, hard work, dedication, you all will get high marks on your next evaluation. Plus, generous bonuses for all.
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>>I did do several searches as you suggest but like you no where did anyone >>come up with cost per page. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > have an inkjet printer, you could pretend you have one and still use all > the above number. John John - 15 Feb 2008 13:28 GMT I don't think that it is that expensive but like VanguardLH said there are many factors to consider to get an accurate cost per page. Everyday use paper costs about $5.00/ream, a ream is 500 pages so paper for everyday printing is as little as one cent per page. The ink cost and approximate yield information you can find on the net. To that you have to include the printer cost, for good quality printers the MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure) is often given and expressed in number of pages printed, so a printer with a MTBF of 50,000 should yield about that many pages, that is its about useful life, divide the cost of the printer by the MTBF and it will give you an approximate hardware cost per page.
My findings with this is that the old saying "You can pay me now, or you can pay me later" certainly applies to printers! Ink for cheap printers is way more expensive than for the more expensive ones and manufacturers usually don't publish MTBF information for the cheap printers, I can tell you that they don't last too long and the hardware cost is usually much more than for expensive printers. Another cost often overlooked is the speed at which the printer prints and the overall quality of the prints. If you are paying an employee to print 100 pages on a printer that prints 4 or 5 pages per minutes and that blotch half of them the cost per page is going to be in the dollar range, not pennies!
In the end it is up to you to decide what you need. Try to estimate how many pages you print per month and try to get a printer rated for a bit more than your monthly average. I think that nobody regrets spending a bit more for a good printer, they are worth it if you do any amount of printing. I think that you should leave those $79 clacketty printers on the shelf, they're not very reliable and the replacement ink usually cost more than the printer! Not to mention that after you run 2 sets of cartridges and about 1,000 pages through the printer it will probably break down! In other words, you get what you pay for.
John
> Anyone know the approximate cost for ink and paper per page is? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Many thanks. Ken Blake, MVP - 15 Feb 2008 16:17 GMT > I don't think that it is that expensive but like VanguardLH said there > are many factors to consider to get an accurate cost per page. Everyday > use paper costs about $5.00/ream, a ream is 500 pages so paper for > everyday printing is as little as one cent per page. And let me point out that even there, there is great variability in price. I buy cartons of 10 reams from Costco for under $25 US, so the price is only half a cent per page.
> The ink cost and > approximate yield information you can find on the net. To that you have [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > > > Many thanks.
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Don Schmidt - 15 Feb 2008 18:47 GMT The mystery continues but let me share with you an excellent paper for greeting/anniversary double fold cards; and also great for the cover page of a few pages booklets.
Brand: Wausau Exact, Opaque White 70 lb White / 92 Brightness #55581 500 sheets Ream less than $10.00
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>> I don't think that it is that expensive but like VanguardLH said there >> are many factors to consider to get an accurate cost per page. Everyday [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >> > >> > Many thanks. VanguardLH - 16 Feb 2008 02:35 GMT > The mystery continues but let me share with you an excellent paper > for greeting/anniversary double fold cards; and also great for the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > #55581 > 500 sheets Ream less than $10.00 But then you need to determine in all your calculations if such paper is usable by whatever printer you intend to use in your calculations. Most printers are geared for #25 paper. #70 paper could be too thick or too non-flexible to wrangle its way through the feed mechanism of the printer. Obviously a printer that feeds and ejects on the same side would put a roll in the thicker paper, so for doing greeting card work you would want a straight-feed printer (in the front, out the back, and *flat* with no bending which means the paper can't even be in a slanted feed tray) that keeps the paper flat during printing instead of rolling it over a roller to get the printer under the cartridge's head(s). Not all cheapie inkjet printers can handle heavy-weight paper, so the more expensive printer would have to figure into your cost per page.
Don Schmidt - 16 Feb 2008 03:44 GMT The pound rating of paper is not associated with the paper thickness; I think it has to do with strength. At least it doesn't apply with the paper I've suggested; it is about double the thickness of normal 20 lb paper. I use a HP Business Inkjet 1200 on our home network. Paper travels through the printer negotiating a 180° turn on a +/- 1.5" roller.
A thicker more booklet like cover paper I use without difficulty is Wausau Exact 65 lb #68801. I use this one for our lodge's member directory which is 24 pages. It does require premium staples to bind.
don
>> The mystery continues but let me share with you an excellent paper for >> greeting/anniversary double fold cards; and also great for the cover page [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > printers can handle heavy-weight paper, so the more expensive printer > would have to figure into your cost per page. Gerry - 16 Feb 2008 22:12 GMT Don
That sounds like a top paper feeder which are far more prone to jams. A flat feed level tray is better.
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> The pound rating of paper is not associated with the paper thickness; > I think it has to do with strength. At least it doesn't apply with [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> cheapie inkjet printers can handle heavy-weight paper, so the more >> expensive printer would have to figure into your cost per page. Don Schmidt - 16 Feb 2008 23:27 GMT The HP Business InkJet 1200 is a two tray printer where the paper is feed in on the bottom and comes out on top of the two trays. It also has a duplex routing in the back of the printer. Jams are scarce and if it does, a push of a button clears the jam. The one disappointment I have with this printer is, it leaves a ½" margin on the bottom of the paper. Other than that it works well if I print from my computer, the wireless laptop path or from our daughter's networked computer in her room.
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> Don > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >>> cheapie inkjet printers can handle heavy-weight paper, so the more >>> expensive printer would have to figure into your cost per page. Gerry - 16 Feb 2008 23:36 GMT Don
My preference is to use a laser printer. I do not need colour. Initial expense is greater but cheaper running costs/ HP Laserjet 1200.
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> The HP Business InkJet 1200 is a two tray printer where the paper is > feed in on the bottom and comes out on top of the two trays. It also [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >>>> cheapie inkjet printers can handle heavy-weight paper, so the more >>>> expensive printer would have to figure into your cost per page. Paul MR - 28 Feb 2008 05:12 GMT The pound rating is in fact the weight of the paper. A ream of 20 pound 17"x22" sheets of bond paper is supposed to weigh 20 pounds. Therefore a ream of 8.5"x11" would weigh 5 pounds. - Grandpa was a printer.
> The pound rating of paper is not associated with the paper thickness; I > think it has to do with strength. At least it doesn't apply with the paper [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> printers can handle heavy-weight paper, so the more expensive printer >> would have to figure into your cost per page. Gerry - 16 Feb 2008 22:08 GMT How about other costs like:
Paper jams. Dummy runs for proof reading.
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> I don't think that it is that expensive but like VanguardLH said there > are many factors to consider to get an accurate cost per page. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >> >> Many thanks.
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