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System Restore not working  [JSF]

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Joseph Ferraro - 25 May 2008 21:30 GMT
When I run the system restore and choose a restore point, the system starts
the restore;  and then after the reboot, I get the message that the restore
did not complete, no changes were made.

How can I resolve this?  Any help is greatly appreciated
Edna Boxe - 25 May 2008 22:03 GMT
> When I run the system restore and choose a restore point, the system
> starts the restore;  and then after the reboot, I get the message that the
> restore did not complete, no changes were made.
>
> How can I resolve this?  Any help is greatly appreciated

Make sure that prior to running system restore that your AV software isn't
also running, if you have Norton it's also recommended that you turn off the
protection for the Norton product too. I had the same problem & doing this
rectified it.

HTH,
Edna.
Unknown - 25 May 2008 22:03 GMT
It means the restore data is corrupt so you may as well delete it and create
a new restore point. If you need to restore, you must select an earlier
restore point.(Find one that works)
> When I run the system restore and choose a restore point, the system
> starts the restore;  and then after the reboot, I get the message that the
> restore did not complete, no changes were made.
>
> How can I resolve this?  Any help is greatly appreciated
Joseph Ferraro - 25 May 2008 22:23 GMT
None of them restore points work!

> It means the restore data is corrupt so you may as well delete it and
> create a new restore point. If you need to restore, you must select an
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>> How can I resolve this?  Any help is greatly appreciated
Gerry - 25 May 2008 23:31 GMT
Joseph

What are your anti-virus and anti-spyware arrangements? What firewall
are you using?

Is System Restore monitoring more thane partition / drive. It should
only be monitoring your Windows partition.

http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srfail.html

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> None of them restore points work!
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>>> How can I resolve this?  Any help is greatly appreciated
Joseph Ferraro - 28 May 2008 21:45 GMT
I am using AVG anti-virus and spyware, and I am only have Windows XP on the
computer

Joe

> Joseph
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Gerry - 28 May 2008 22:28 GMT
Joseph

How many drives is the System Restore monitoring?

You are using the Windows Firewall and not something like Zone Alarm?

Have you tried to use a restore point in Safe Mode?

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> I am using AVG anti-virus and spyware, and I am only have Windows XP
> on the computer
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>>>>> How can I resolve this?  Any help is greatly appreciated
Joseph Ferraro - 28 May 2008 23:09 GMT
Gerry

Yes I am using the Windows Firewall. I am monitoring 3 drives, I have always
been monitoring 3 drives and it has always worked.

Joe

> Joseph
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Gerry - 29 May 2008 00:56 GMT
Joseph

You should only be monitoring the Windows partition.

http://bertk.mvps.org/html/drivedisable.html

Point 6 in the next link:
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/healthy.html

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> Gerry
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Joseph Ferraro - 29 May 2008 01:07 GMT
Sorry Gerry, the 3 drives are in the only partition I have, and it is
Windows, like I said, it has always worked and suddenly it is not.

> Joseph
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Gerry - 29 May 2008 08:06 GMT
Joseph

Each  drive can comprise one or more partitions. If you have 3 hard
drives you have a minimum of 3 partitions. You ignore CD / DVD and
floppy drives. A windows partition is also called the system partition.
It contains the operating system.

What do each of your hard drives contain?

Are you using any software to back up your system including data? If yes
what is it?

I would be interested in  seeing a Disk Defragmenter report. Open Disk
Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select  View Report and
click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents
Folder and post a copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as it
is more informative.

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Hope  this helps.

Gerry
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> Sorry Gerry, the 3 drives are in the only partition I have, and it is
> Windows, like I said, it has always worked and suddenly it is not.
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>>>>>>>>> appreciated
Ken Blake, MVP - 29 May 2008 19:52 GMT
> A windows partition is also called the system partition.
> It contains the operating system.

Gerry, read here:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q100525

Microsoft's nomenclature is very strange. Although one expect the
System Partition to be the one Windows is installed on, Microsoft
calls that the "Boot Partition." The System Partition "refers to the
disk volume containing hardware specific files needed to boot Windows
(NTLDR, BOOT.INI, and so on). On Intel x86-based machines, it must be
a primary partition that has been marked active. On x86 machines, this
is always drive 0, the drive the system BIOS searches during system
boot for the operating system."

It sounds backwards to me, but that's the way it is.


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John John (MVP) - 29 May 2008 20:23 GMT
>>A windows partition is also called the system partition.
>>It contains the operating system.
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> It sounds backwards to me, but that's the way it is.

Think of the old MS-DOS SYS command and the logic of using the term
"System partition"  becomes a bit clearer.

John
Gerry - 29 May 2008 23:10 GMT
Ken

Your correct and as you say they are misnomers. I will have to avoid
these terms as they mislead us mere mortals.

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>> A windows partition is also called the system partition.
>> It contains the operating system.
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> It sounds backwards to me, but that's the way it is.
Ken Blake, MVP - 30 May 2008 00:57 GMT
> Ken
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> Your correct and as you say they are misnomers. I will have to avoid
> these terms as they mislead us mere mortals.

I'm with you entirely. Rather than use the "correct" term, I prefer to
just not use either term.

> >> A windows partition is also called the system partition.
> >> It contains the operating system.
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> > It sounds backwards to me, but that's the way it is.

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Unknown - 26 May 2008 16:09 GMT
If that's the case shut down all virus programs, use Windows firewall only
and retry.

> None of them restore points work!
>
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>>> How can I resolve this?  Any help is greatly appreciated
John A - 26 May 2008 23:00 GMT
With some AVs (eg Kaspersky) shutting it down still won't allow System
Restore to operate - you have to specifically disable the self defence
mechanisim

John

>If that's the case shut down all virus programs, use Windows firewall only
>and retry.
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>>>> How can I resolve this?  Any help is greatly appreciated
Unknown - 27 May 2008 15:14 GMT
Precisely why I do not use any of that trash.
> With some AVs (eg Kaspersky) shutting it down still won't allow System
> Restore to operate - you have to specifically disable the self defence
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>>>>> How can I resolve this?  Any help is greatly appreciated
Gerry - 27 May 2008 16:50 GMT
Which is trash? System Restore or the security software? Why are some
security software providers incapable of providing software that does
not interfere with the proper running of the operating system?

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> Precisely why I do not use any of that trash.
>>>>>> When I run the system restore and choose a restore point, the
>>>>>> system starts the restore;  and then after the reboot, I get the
>>>>>> message that the restore did not complete, no changes were made.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How can I resolve this?  Any help is greatly appreciated
Unknown - 27 May 2008 18:10 GMT
Security software is the trash. Some security software providers are
incapable of providing software that does not interfere
with the proper running of the operating system simply because they cannot
test their software to the thousands of variations
in configurations.
System restore is great and one of the best ideas MS has come out with.
> Which is trash? System Restore or the security software? Why are some
> security software providers incapable of providing software that does not
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>>>>>>> How can I resolve this?  Any help is greatly appreciated
Gerry - 27 May 2008 19:42 GMT
Thanks for clarifying what you meant.

The Microsoft software is fragile and many have difficulty getting to
work as it should. Microsoft should have dealt with the removable drive
issue long ago.
They could also have taken steps to stop security software from
interfering. I suspect they have made no changes to System Restore since
the early days of XP.

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> Security software is the trash. Some security software providers are
> incapable of providing software that does not interfere
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>>>>>>>> the message that the restore did not complete, no changes were
>>>>>>>> made. How can I resolve this?  Any help is greatly appreciated
Unknown - 27 May 2008 20:34 GMT
Microsoft software is really not fragile. What makes it difficult getting it
to work properly is all the trash people
download thinking they need the trash. Virus programs for example. If you
don't click on unknown URL's or all
those 'click here' enticements you won't get viruses. I've never gotten one.
What do you mean 'removable drive issue'?
As far as security software interfering, they have to be extremely careful
so as not to be accused of being a monopoly.
How can they prevent someone such as NORTON installing their programs on a
Microsoft operating system?

> Thanks for clarifying what you meant.
>
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>>>>>>>>> made. How can I resolve this?  Any help is greatly appreciated
Gerry - 28 May 2008 00:20 GMT
Restore points are broken if they are created when a removable drive was
being monitored and it is subsequently removed.

They are a monopoly. They totally dominate the market for computer
operating system. Do you think they are not in a monopoly situation?

I was not suggesting they should stop third party security software
being installed. They ought to be able to prevent that software from
preventing System Restore from restoring the Registry to an earlier
version of the Registry.

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> Microsoft software is really not fragile. What makes it difficult
> getting it to work properly is all the trash people
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>>>>>>>>>> were made. How can I resolve this?  Any help is greatly
>>>>>>>>>> appreciated
Unknown - 28 May 2008 15:28 GMT
Have you any idea what it would cost them? (Your last sentence).
They cannot help being a monopoly. They're good. You can always go to Apple
or Linux.
They get in trouble only when they try to protect their software such as
what your last sentence suggests.
> Restore points are broken if they are created when a removable drive was
> being monitored and it is subsequently removed.
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>>>>>>>>>>> were made. How can I resolve this?  Any help is greatly
>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated
Ramone - 25 May 2008 22:32 GMT
Bad info. Corruption is just one of many reasons for System Restore errors.
Deleting restore points is the last thing that should be done.

> It means the restore data is corrupt so you may as well delete it and
> create a new restore point. If you need to restore, you must select an
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>> How can I resolve this?  Any help is greatly appreciated
 
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