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Re: Will Microsoft Sell Me Installation Disks For My OEM Version?

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D. Spencer Hines - 27 Feb 2007 22:26 GMT
Have you actually given the acid test to that proposed solution by restoring
several image backups of Vista Ultimate from the DVD or External Hard
Drive -- with all the new Anti-Pirate protection on Vista -- to your
computer and done it successfully, several times?

Have you been able to do it to another computer you own?

If so...

What's to prevent you from restoring it to someone else's computer and
pirating Vista Ultimate?

DSH

"retired fire" <retiredfire@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2FF16A3E-7818-4AC6-A632-D76A03796B5E@microsoft.com...

> Reading all the replies to this post, I find Scott's reply the most
> beneficial.  In part he said:
> Buy a copy of Acronis True Image Home v10 ($29.99 @ Newegg.com).
>
> Uninstall all the crap you don't want.
>
> Install Acronis.
>
> Burn a disk image to DVD.
>
> Even with a Vista disk, it's the best way to go.
>
> Once you have your computer set up "just like you want it", burn the DVD
> image.  This will allow you to reinstall all your software, drivers, etc.
> exactly as it was the day you burned the DVD... You can also burn DVD
> periodically as your data changes to keep the image "up to date".  This
> actually serves two purposes, one to allow a complete restore of your
> total system, and two, you have a backup process to protect your data....
>
> NOTE:  Sony also includes in it restore process on the hard drive, all of
> the drivers, software, etc. that are needed to allow your computer to
> operate... You will loose those if you use a "retail" version of Vista,
> thus causing you more grief, having to find and install them after
> installing Vista"retail" version from the disk you hope to find......
>
> I have made "images" of my hard drive for years, and the image can be
> restored without issue, and I don't have to spend hours upon hours loading
> software, drivers, etc....
>
> I hope you find a resolve to your frustration, just wanted to give you a
> little more info to add to your decision making process... The more
> knowledge we have the better decisions we can make.....
>
> Good luck
>
> "Dave B." wrote:
>
>> Whoops, that should have read "See my reply to Paul Randall"
>>
>> > See my reply to PTravel. Slipstreaming is not possible for you as you
>> > don't have install media, and there is nothing to slipstream even if
>> > you did.
>> >
>> >> "Paul Randall" <paulr901@cableone.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:ednzM5qWHHA.4720@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >>>
>> >>> "PTravel" <ptravel@travelersvideo.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:O1rgE9pWHHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >>>> Vista Business came pre-installed on my new Sony Vaio laptop.  Sony
>> >>>> doesn't provide installation disks -- if something goes wrong, the
>> >>>> only option is to re-install entirely, either from an image backup
>> >>>> or from the original installation that resides in a protected
>> >>>> partition on the hard drive. Re-installation from the hard drive
>> >>>> takes 3 hours and installs all the demo crapware that takes another
>> >>>> hour to remove. Re-installing from the image backup is slightly
>> >>>> faster, but you run the risk of installing from a backup created
>> >>>> later than whatever damage you are trying to undo.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Will Microsoft sell me a proper set of installation disks?
>> >>>
>> >>> How much time and effort are you willing to invest?
>> >>
>> >> A fair amount, if it gets me an install set.
>> >>
>> >>> With WXP, all the files necessary to build a new installation CD
>> >>> exist
>> >>> in the Windows folder and some of its subfolders, using some tools
>> >>> you
>> >>> can download for free from the net.  Google for info on
>> >>> how to slipstream an XP service pack to build a new XP installation
>> >>> CD.
>> >>> Maybe the info is already online on how to do the same for Vista.
>> >>> Learning the slipstream process is nice, because it allows you to
>> >>> make
>> >>> a CD that contains all Microsoft updates as of the date you make the
>> >>> CD.
>> >>
>> >> Is the same true for Vista?  XP isn't an issue for me -- it's running
>> >> on my other machines, and I have legal and licensed XP Pro install
>> >> disks for them. I need a Vista install set.
>> >>
>> >>> Testing the resulting installation CD can be a problem.  I found a
>> >>> cheap 5-year old used desktop of the same brand as my laptop (not
>> >>> Sony),
>> >>> and did my testing there until I was happy with it.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Paul Randall
retired fire - 27 Feb 2007 22:58 GMT
I have made several Complete PC Backup's and have Restored the without a
problem, seems to work great.....

I have not tried to install a Backup on a different computer, I will leave
that to the "pirates".  My system is without any illegal software, and I plan
to keep it that way.....That is not an issue or something I would even
consider, I only plan on keeping my system up and protecting if from a failed
hard drive....

> Have you actually given the acid test to that proposed solution by restoring
> several image backups of Vista Ultimate from the DVD or External Hard
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> >> >>>
> >> >>> -Paul Randall
D. Spencer Hines - 27 Feb 2007 23:22 GMT
Have you tried it with VISTA ULTIMATE?

DSH

>I have made several Complete PC Backup's and have Restored the without a
> problem, seems to work great.....
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>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -Paul Randall
PTravel - 27 Feb 2007 23:36 GMT
>I have made several Complete PC Backup's and have Restored the without a
> problem, seems to work great.....

I also did a complete restore early on in my experience with my laptop and
it worked fine.  It just took 3 hours (plus another hour to decrappify the
computer).

> I have not tried to install a Backup on a different computer, I will leave
> that to the "pirates".  My system is without any illegal software, and I
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> failed
> hard drive....

Same here.  I'm not trying to cheat or steal.  I just want to be able to use
the software that I paid for, that is genuine, and for which I have a valid
license from Microsoft.

>> Have you actually given the acid test to that proposed solution by
>> restoring
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>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -Paul Randall
D. Spencer Hines - 28 Feb 2007 00:03 GMT
>>I have made several Complete PC Backup's and have Restored the without a
>> problem, seems to work great.....
>
> I also did a complete restore early on in my experience with my laptop and
> it worked fine.  It just took 3 hours (plus another hour to decrappify the
> computer).

Did you do any of those with VISTA ULTIMATE?

DSH

>> I have not tried to install a Backup on a different computer, I will
>> leave
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>> failed
>> hard drive....

I never said you were a PIRATE.

But if your computer crashs and burns and no longer has VISTA ULTIMATE on it
can you put that IMAGE BACKUP on another box?

You'd still only be running the OS on ONE box.

> Same here.  I'm not trying to cheat or steal.  I just want to be able to
> use the software that I paid for, that is genuine, and for which I have a
> valid license from Microsoft.

RIGHT!  But we live in an Environment now where people think you MAY try to
CHEAT.

>>> Have you actually given the acid test to that proposed solution by
>>> restoring
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>>>
>>> Have you been able to do it to another computer you own?

No Answer to the Question Above.  We are talking about VISTA ULTIMATE
here -- not XP.

>>> If so...
>>>
>>> What's to prevent you from restoring it to someone else's computer and
>>> pirating Vista Ultimate?
>>>
>>> DSH
PTravel - 28 Feb 2007 00:35 GMT
>>>I have made several Complete PC Backup's and have Restored the without a
>>> problem, seems to work great.....
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>
> Did you do any of those with VISTA ULTIMATE?

No.  I've only done that with Vista Business.

> DSH
>
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> But if your computer crashs and burns and no longer has VISTA ULTIMATE on
> it can you put that IMAGE BACKUP on another box?

I have no idea.

> You'd still only be running the OS on ONE box.

Yes and, as far as I know, that wouldn't violate Microsoft's license.

>> Same here.  I'm not trying to cheat or steal.  I just want to be able to
>> use the software that I paid for, that is genuine, and for which I have a
>> valid license from Microsoft.
>
> RIGHT!  But we live in an Environment now where people think you MAY try
> to CHEAT.

Well, if by "people" you mean "Microsoft," then, yes, you're right.

>>>> Have you actually given the acid test to that proposed solution by
>>>> restoring
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> No Answer to the Question Above.  We are talking about VISTA ULTIMATE
> here -- not XP.

Actually, I've been talking about Vista Business.

>>>> If so...
>>>>
>>>> What's to prevent you from restoring it to someone else's computer and
>>>> pirating Vista Ultimate?
>>>>
>>>> DSH
D. Spencer Hines - 28 Feb 2007 02:28 GMT
>>>>I have made several Complete PC Backup's and have Restored the without a
>>>> problem, seems to work great.....
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> No.  I've only done that with Vista Business.

RIGHT!  That's my POINT.  Until one runs a PRECISE SCENARIO in this sort of
thing one is never really sure it will work again later.

>> DSH
>>
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>
> I have no idea.

RIGHT!  That's my POINT.  If your current box crashes and burns or is STOLEN
or you drop in in the swimming pool you may be SOL if you can't back up to
ANOTHER BOX.

>> You'd still only be running the OS on ONE box.
>
> Yes and, as far as I know, that wouldn't violate Microsoft's license.

Well, you and I might like to THINK that -- but other folks tell us that's
not what the OEM EULA says and if Box #1 DIES we are SOL.

>>> Same here.  I'm not trying to cheat or steal.  I just want to be able to
>>> use the software that I paid for, that is genuine, and for which I have
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>
> Well, if by "people" you mean "Microsoft," then, yes, you're right.

PRECISELY!!

And THEY may have made it ILLEGAL and IMPOSSIBLE for you to do what you
think you have a right to do -- unless you TRY it -- and TRY it again
periodically -- because the rules may change.

ACID TEST.

>>>>> Have you actually given the acid test to that proposed solution by
>>>>> restoring
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>
> Actually, I've been talking about Vista Business.

No. I've stressed ULTIMATE several times.

That's why I make it all CAPS.

Cheers,

DSH
Anthony L. Rondon - 28 Feb 2007 00:28 GMT
>>I have made several Complete PC Backup's and have Restored the without a
>> problem, seems to work great.....
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>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> -Paul Randall

Try here for instructions on creating your own customized install DVD
http://apcmag.com/5150/build_a_custom_vista_dvd

Download Vlite from here
http://www.vlite.net/download.html

I hope this helps you out.
PTravel - 28 Feb 2007 00:36 GMT
> Try here for instructions on creating your own customized install DVD
> http://apcmag.com/5150/build_a_custom_vista_dvd
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>
> I hope this helps you out.

Thanks!  I'll give it a try.
 
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