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Windows Forum / Windows XP / Networking and Web / June 2004Two XP computers connected to a router. Why is networking so difficult?
Win 98 was easy. I have no idea what to do here under XP. There are passwords and user names involved. There doesn't appear to be any help files telling you exactly what to do. The networking wizard certainly doesn't do much. Is there any place I can find step by step instructions. I would like all users on an single XP Home machine to have access to the files (read and write)on a XP Pro machine harddrive both connected to the same router. I have spent hours trying to figure out how to do this. >>Win 98 was easy. >I have no idea what to do here under XP. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >(read and write)on a XP Pro machine harddrive both connected to the same router. >I have spent hours trying to figure out how to do this. Run the Network Setup Wizard on each computer and tell it that the computer connects to the Internet through a residential gateway (router). Other connection options can block file sharing. When you share a disk or folder on XP Pro, be sure to check the box that allows other computers to change files. If you've installed a firewall program on either computer, make sure that it's configured to allow access by the other computer. If you've explicitly disabled simple file sharing on XP Pro, create matching user accounts -- same user name and password -- on each computer. If you've explicitly defined a password for the Guest account on XP Pro, enter that password when prompted. If those suggestions don't solve the problem, please reply to this message in the news group (not by E-mail) with more information to help other people understand the problem: How are you trying to access XP Pro files from the XP machine? What exactly happens when you do it? What is the complete and exact text of all error messages?  SignatureBest Wishes, Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups. Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program http://mvp.support.microsoft.com >>>Win 98 was easy. >>I have no idea what to do here under XP. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >computer connects to the Internet through a residential gateway >(router). Other connection options can block file sharing. This I've done. Same workgroup on both >When you share a disk or folder on XP Pro, be sure to check the box >that allows other computers to change files. This I've done. >If you've installed a firewall program on either computer, make sure >that it's configured to allow access by the other computer. Firewalls disabled. >If you've explicitly disabled simple file sharing on XP Pro, create >matching user accounts -- same user name and password -- on each >computer. File sharing enabled? Which file sharing? Under network or folder options? I have both enabled. >If you've explicitly defined a password for the Guest account on XP >Pro, enter that password when prompted. Prompted? I need Guest accounts? I'm lost. What do I do with the Guest accounts? >If those suggestions don't solve the problem, please reply to this >message in the news group (not by E-mail) with more information to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >exactly happens when you do it? What is the complete and exact text >of all error messages? Try this site: http://www.practicallynetworked.com/ >-----Original Message----- > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >. >Try this site: > >http://www.practicallynetworked.com/ What do I look for? I can't find anything that tells me how to configure two computers for networking. >>-----Original Message----- >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >>. On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:00:56 GMT, *email_address_deleted* wrote: >Win 98 was easy. >I have no idea what to do here under XP. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >(read and write)on a XP Pro machine harddrive both connected to the same router. >I have spent hours trying to figure out how to do this. James, Your frustration is shared by many. Windows XP Pro is a challenge - Microsoft designed it to be backwardly compatible with Windows 9x (95 / 98 / ME), and with Windows NT / 2K. This dual personality causes everybody problems. Simple File Sharing under Windows XP is similar (but not identical) to file sharing under Windows 9x. Advanced File Sharing under Windows XP is similar to file sharing under Windows NT / 2K. Please follow each of Steve's suggestions carefully. Additionally, if your Windows XP Pro uses Advanced File Sharing, check the Local Security Policy (Control Panel - Administrative Tools). Under Local Policies - Security Options, look at "Network access: Sharing and security model", and ensure it's set to "Classic - local users authenticate as themselves". When I initially setup my second XP Pro computer, it was an upgrade of XP Home. And I couldn't get it to file share with my first XP Pro computer for anything. Until somebody on one of these forums told me about the Local Security Policy setting. Cheers, Chuck Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing. >On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:00:56 GMT, *email_address_deleted* wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >Options, look at "Network access: Sharing and security model", and ensure it's >set to "Classic - local users authenticate as themselves". Under which account do I do this. I don't understand the significance of a Guest account. >When I initially setup my second XP Pro computer, it was an upgrade of XP Home. >And I couldn't get it to file share with my first XP Pro computer for anything. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Chuck >Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing. On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:27:36 GMT, *email_address_deleted* wrote: >>On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:00:56 GMT, *email_address_deleted* wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >Under which account do I do this. >I don't understand the significance of a Guest account. James, You need to "do this" on your XP Pro computer, when logged in with any account that has administrative authority. The Guest account has significance: 1) Under Simple File Sharing, to enable access to all shared folders. 2) Under Advanced File Sharing, to enable access to specific shared folders, when a non-Guest account isn't available or can't be used. On your XP Home computer, you have to have the Guest account activated, for access to it's shared folders from another computer. On your XP Pro computer, you only need the Guest account activated, if: 1) You are using Simple File Sharing. 2) You are using Advanced File Sharing with the Local Security Policy set to "Guest only". 3) You are using Advanced File Sharing, but a non-Guest account (your "two identical user names with identical passwords") isn't setup on both computers. <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=87c0a6db-aef8-4bef-925e -7ac9be791028&DisplayLang=en> I share your frustration with the complexity of all the rules, James. It reminds me of reading an IRS (are you American?) tax form. You have to RTFM. Cheers, Chuck Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing. >On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:27:36 GMT, *email_address_deleted* wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >On your XP Home computer, you have to have the Guest account activated, for >access to it's shared folders from another computer. Do I have to use this Guest account? >On your XP Pro computer, you only need the Guest account activated, if: >1) You are using Simple File Sharing. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I share your frustration with the complexity of all the rules, James. It >reminds me of reading an IRS (are you American?) tax form. You have to RTFM. There's a manual? I've spent days unsuccessfully trying to find a step by step set of instructions for this. First step run the Wizard. The wizard wants to create a bridge. What's a bridge? After that nothing. I don't even know what the network settings are supposed to be. These computers are three feet apart and I can't connect them to each other. >On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:27:36 GMT, *email_address_deleted* wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >You need to "do this" on your XP Pro computer, when logged in with any account >that has administrative authority. Is this a first step? I create a Guest account on each computer. Do these need the same passwords Do I run the networking wizard from the Guest account? What happens to the accounts I'm already using? I hate to give them up. I just wish I knew the order of all these steps and where they have to be performed. >The Guest account has significance: >1) Under Simple File Sharing, to enable access to all shared folders. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Chuck >Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing. >>>Please follow each of Steve's suggestions carefully. Additionally, if your >>>Windows XP Pro uses Advanced File Sharing, check the Local Security Policy >>>(Control Panel - Administrative Tools). Under Local Policies - Security >>>Options, look at "Network access: Sharing and security model", and ensure it's >>>set to "Classic - local users authenticate as themselves". I have "Network access: Sharing and security model for local accounts" Guest only - local users authenticate as Guest. I have no idea how to change this setting. ^^^ Cute! >>>>Please follow each of Steve's suggestions carefully. Additionally, if your >>>>Windows XP Pro uses Advanced File Sharing, check the Local Security Policy [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I have "Network access: Sharing and security model for local accounts" >Guest only - local users authenticate as Guest. And that's why sharing doesn't work even though you setup the "two identical user names with identical passwords"!! >I have no idea how to change this setting. Right click on "Network access: Sharing and security for local accounts", select Properties. That will open a popup window titled "Network access...". In that window, the pull down list will show a value "Guest only...". Click anywhere in the pull down list box, select "Classic...". Hit Apply - then OK. After the "Network access..." value is changed, restart either computer and test. Cheers, Chuck Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing. > ^^^ Cute! > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >After the "Network access..." value is changed, restart either computer and >test. No change. XPPro still can't see the XPHome machine. But the XPHome machine can see and access the XPPro box. This works for me right now because the XPPro machine is my backup and rarely used. Thanks to everyone for the help. I'll try to see if I can solve this last part of the puzzle when I have more time. what is the IP layout? >-----Original Message----- > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >. >what is the IP layout? What IS an IP layout? >>-----Original Message----- >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >>. |
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