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OEM WinXP - if my PC dies, burned in Fire, etc - can I load OEM on new PC and Validate ???
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Kevin - 27 Sep 2006 03:03 GMT I called Microsoft today and asked them about the fifference between Full Retail versions and OEM versions (NewEgg.com sells OEM WinXP Pro and Home).
They told me that Full Retail can be transferred to another PC, so long as you uninstall it from old PC. BUT that the OEM version is just like OEM versions that come with Dell, HP, etc. - that you cannot more it to another machine.
But what if I pay the 200 bucks, load it - and 2 days later my Motherboard dies . . . or there is some disaster. Am I SOL ??? It seems ridiculous to me to have software that is "married" to one PC and only one PC.
Jupiter Jones [MVP] - 27 Sep 2006 03:18 GMT OEM is significantly cheaper than retail and you may have a hard time finding OEM at the high price of $200, or if you do, go elsewhere...quickly.
If there is a disaster as you suggest, simply include the OEM operating system as part of the computer with the insurance claim.
One of the many reasons OEM is cheaper than retail.
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>I called Microsoft today and asked them about the fifference between > Full Retail versions and OEM versions (NewEgg.com sells OEM WinXP Pro [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It seems ridiculous to me to have software that is "married" to one PC > and only one PC. Carey Frisch [MVP] - 27 Sep 2006 04:09 GMT OEM versions of Windows XP:
-- cannot upgrade over an existing Windows installation. -- must be installed "clean" on a freshly reformatted drive or partition. -- cannot be transferred to a different computer or if motherboard is upgraded. -- the license cannot be sold or transferred to another user. -- are not eligible for free Microsoft technical support. -- any problems whatsoever with the installation CD or Product Key. is not eligible for Microsoft support....you have to deal with the "seller". -- cost less than "retail versions" due to the above limitations/risks.
Best Advice: Purchase a "Retail Version" of Windows XP!
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|I called Microsoft today and asked them about the fifference between | Full Retail versions and OEM versions (NewEgg.com sells OEM WinXP Pro [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] | It seems ridiculous to me to have software that is "married" to one PC | and only one PC. Alias~- - 27 Sep 2006 09:42 GMT Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> [Generic] OEM versions of Windows XP: > > -- cannot upgrade over an existing Windows installation. True.
> -- must be installed "clean" on a freshly reformatted drive or partition. True.
> -- cannot be transferred to a different computer or if motherboard is upgraded. Another computer, yes. Motherboard, a baldfaced lie.
> -- the license cannot be sold or transferred to another user. It can if another user buys the computer along with it.
> -- are not eligible for free Microsoft technical support. BFD.
> -- any problems whatsoever with the installation CD or Product Key. > is not eligible for Microsoft support....you have to deal with the "seller". > -- cost less than "retail versions" due to the above limitations/risks. > > Best Advice: Purchase a "Retail Version" of Windows XP! Best advice: buy two OEMs for the price of one Retail or, where I live, three OEMs with change for the price of one Retail. Where did you study maths, Carey?
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Alias~- - 27 Sep 2006 09:46 GMT > I called Microsoft today and asked them about the fifference between > Full Retail versions and OEM versions (NewEgg.com sells OEM WinXP Pro [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It seems ridiculous to me to have software that is "married" to one PC > and only one PC. You can upgrade or replace defective motherboards to your heart's content. I have one computer with a generic OEM on it and it's on its third motherboard. In fact, the only original component on that machine is the case and one stick of RAM. I have never had to use phone activation for it as it activated on line every time.
Don't listen to Carey, he always recommends buying Retail and lies about generic OEM's limitations.
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Leythos - 27 Sep 2006 12:56 GMT > I called Microsoft today and asked them about the fifference between > Full Retail versions and OEM versions (NewEgg.com sells OEM WinXP Pro [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It seems ridiculous to me to have software that is "married" to one PC > and only one PC. You don't have to buy OEM, it's a choice, and you assume the restrictions if you purchase it.
Oh, and if you've paid more than $140 for XP Professional in the USA, then you were getting ripped off.
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Robert Moir - 27 Sep 2006 14:21 GMT > But what if I pay the 200 bucks, load it - and 2 days later my > Motherboard dies . . . or there is some disaster. Am I SOL ??? > It seems ridiculous to me to have software that is "married" to one PC > and only one PC. OEM software is a term that is taken to mean software that is "married" to the hardware it was purchased with (as a practical matter the first computer it's installed upon. It's an industry thing, not just a Microsoft thing.
"Ridiculous" or not, this is one way to buy software less than RRP and the fact it becomes tied to the hardware it arrived with is a risk you take.
What _is_ ridiculous is the idea that "computer = motherboard". This is plainly a bad joke, especially when the software can be purchased with other items of hardware.
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Alias~- - 27 Sep 2006 14:41 GMT >> But what if I pay the 200 bucks, load it - and 2 days later my >> Motherboard dies . . . or there is some disaster. Am I SOL ??? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the hardware it was purchased with (as a practical matter the first computer > it's installed upon. It's an industry thing, not just a Microsoft thing. Yeah, but that "first computer" can be updated endlessly.
> "Ridiculous" or not, this is one way to buy software less than RRP and the > fact it becomes tied to the hardware it arrived with is a risk you take. See above. What risk?
> What _is_ ridiculous is the idea that "computer = motherboard". This is > plainly a bad joke, especially when the software can be purchased with other > items of hardware. My EULAs say *nothing* about a motherboard and I have them in both English and Spanish. I have upgraded the motherboard on one computer three times that's running a generic OEM XP and it activated on line each time. In fact, the only component that hasn't been changed on that computer is one stick of RAM and the case.
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Robert Moir - 27 Sep 2006 15:02 GMT > Yeah, but that "first computer" can be updated endlessly. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > See above. What risk? If you choose to buy or build a totally new computer then you are obviously not supposed to move OEM software from your old machine to this one. Therefore it might represent a poor investment if you expect to do that.
>> What _is_ ridiculous is the idea that "computer = motherboard". This >> is plainly a bad joke, especially when the software can be purchased [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > each time. In fact, the only component that hasn't been changed on > that computer is one stick of RAM and the case. So it makes me even more curious where the urban legend of the motherboard being 'the computer' comes from, if you're not actually finding that to be the issue in the real world, as it were.
Alias~- - 27 Sep 2006 16:19 GMT >> Yeah, but that "first computer" can be updated endlessly. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > not supposed to move OEM software from your old machine to this one. > Therefore it might represent a poor investment if you expect to do that. Not here where two OEMs cost less than one Retail. For less than what you pay for Retail, you can have two computers running XP legally.
>>> What _is_ ridiculous is the idea that "computer = motherboard". This >>> is plainly a bad joke, especially when the software can be purchased [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > being 'the computer' comes from, if you're not actually finding that to be > the issue in the real world, as it were. The Systems Builder license given to OEMs like Dell and HP that Carey erroneously quotes over and over again.
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Robert Moir - 27 Sep 2006 17:04 GMT >>> Yeah, but that "first computer" can be updated endlessly. >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Not here where two OEMs cost less than one Retail. For less than what > you pay for Retail, you can have two computers running XP legally. Then it's a "risk" well worth taking in that case, as you've got the figures to hand and understand the implications. I'm using "risk" in the sense of choosing where and how to invest in something, not suggesting that OEM software is inherently always a bad thing to buy.
Many people don't understand it - I suspect many buy 'OEM' software without realising that's what they've purchased. And we won't even go into those spam emails - "d00d buy 0EM s0ftw@re ch3ap from our store at http://127.0.0.1"!
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Alias~- - 27 Sep 2006 17:10 GMT >>>> Yeah, but that "first computer" can be updated endlessly. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > rob Not *those* "OEMs" ;-)
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Ken Blake, MVP - 27 Sep 2006 16:57 GMT > I called Microsoft today and asked them about the fifference between > Full Retail versions and OEM versions (NewEgg.com sells OEM WinXP Pro [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It seems ridiculous to me to have software that is "married" to one PC > and only one PC. It's the single biggest disadvantage of an OEM version, in my view. If the computer dies, the OEM license dies with it.
An OEM version and a retail Upgrade version cost very close to the same amount (at least in the USA). The Retail Upgrade is a much better choice, in my view, since it doesn't come with restrictions.
And contrary to what some people think, the retail Upgrade version can do a clean installation. All you need is a CD of a previous qualifying version to insert as proof of ownership when prompted to do so. Even if you don't own such a CD, it's still worth it buy an inexpensive copy of Windows 98 on eBay.
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sylvester_k - 27 Sep 2006 18:07 GMT sorry guys, Can i just check with you How can i tell if the current XP install in my PC is retail or OEM ?
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> > I called Microsoft today and asked them about the fifference between > > Full Retail versions and OEM versions (NewEgg.com sells OEM WinXP Pro [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > such a CD, it's still worth it buy an inexpensive copy of Windows 98 on > eBay. Alias~- - 27 Sep 2006 18:14 GMT > sorry guys, > Can i just check with you > How can i tell if the current XP install in my PC is retail or OEM ? > > Thanks Right click on My Computer/Properties/General tab (the first one that appears) and you'll see Registered to: Under that you will see the name of to whom it's registered and a long number/letters. If it has OEM in it, you know it's OEM. If it doesn't, it's Retail.
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> > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> such a CD, it's still worth it buy an inexpensive copy of Windows 98 on >> eBay. Jonny - 28 Sep 2006 16:53 GMT >I called Microsoft today and asked them about the fifference between > Full Retail versions and OEM versions (NewEgg.com sells OEM WinXP Pro [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It seems ridiculous to me to have software that is "married" to one PC > and only one PC. Newegg.com and many other online retailers sell the generic OEM XP installation version.
First and foremost, I do not claim to be a corporate lawyer. Or, even a paralegal.
I do know I've gone through 3 different motherboards on on self-built PC. In each case, I clean installed XP home edition from the same generic OEM XP installation CD. Once required a MS phone call. MS looks at my installation everytime I connect to the internet. And, I get autoupdates from MS. Based on that, I would surmise that another computer installation would not be an actual problem. As long as the previous installation was never further detected by MS. This in no way implies or stipulates any legal ramifications. Just reality in installation and use of a generic OEM XP home installation.
Suspect some owners of replies, indicating or implying legal professional opinions, may not be qualified in such a field.
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Bruce Chambers - 29 Sep 2006 02:17 GMT > I called Microsoft today and asked them about the fifference between > Full Retail versions and OEM versions (NewEgg.com sells OEM WinXP Pro [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It seems ridiculous to me to have software that is "married" to one PC > and only one PC. Then simply purchase an OS license that is transferable.
There are some very important reasons that an OEM license costs so much less than a retail license. OEM licenses are very limited:
1) OEM versions must be sold with a piece of non-peripheral hardware (normally a motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC, although Microsoft has greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP) and are _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which they are installed. An OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another computer under any circumstances. This is the main reason some people avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or is otherwise disposed of (even stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM license on a new PC. The only legitimate way to transfer the ownership of an OEM license is to transfer ownership of the entire PC.
2) Microsoft provides no free support for OEM versions. If you have any problems that require outside assistance, your only recourse is to contact the manufacturer/builder of the PC or the vendor of the OEM license. This would include such issues as lost a Product Key or replacing damaged installation media. (Microsoft does make allowances for those instances when you can prove that the OEM has gone out of business.) This doesn't mean that you can't download patches and service packs from Microsoft -- just no free telephone or email support for problems with the OS.
3) An OEM CD cannot be used to perform an upgrade of an earlier OS, as it was designed to be installed _only_ upon an empty hard drive. It can still be used to perform a repair installation (a.k.a. an in-place upgrade) of an existing WinXP installation.
4) If the OEM CD was designed by a specific manufacturer, such as eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature. Further, such CDs are severely customized to contain only the minimum of device drivers, and a lot of extra nonsense, that the manufacturer feels necessary for the specific model of PC for which the CD was designed. To be honest, such CDs should _not_ be available on the open market; but, if you're shopping someplace on-line like eBay, swap meets, or computer fairs, there's often no telling what you're buying until it's too late. The "generic" OEM CDs, such as are manufactured by Microsoft and sold to small systems builders, don't have this particular problem, though, and are pretty much the same as their retail counterparts, apart from the licensing, support, and upgrading restrictions.
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Jonathan - 30 Sep 2006 13:09 GMT I have an OEM version that came with my PC from Dell. Windows XP Professional. I have formatted/reinstalled it on my computer before, thinking that I would get some sort of Activation request. No such thing happened, and it wasn't even hooked up to the internet at that time.
> > I called Microsoft today and asked them about the fifference between > > Full Retail versions and OEM versions (NewEgg.com sells OEM WinXP Pro [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > and are pretty much the same as their retail counterparts, apart from > the licensing, support, and upgrading restrictions. Gordon - 30 Sep 2006 13:39 GMT >I have an OEM version that came with my PC from Dell. Windows XP > Professional. I have formatted/reinstalled it on my computer before, > thinking > that I would get some sort of Activation request. No such thing happened, > and > it wasn't even hooked up to the internet at that time. Pre-installed OEM versions are generally pre-activated.......
Bruce Chambers - 30 Sep 2006 16:55 GMT > I have an OEM version that came with my PC from Dell. Windows XP > Professional. I have formatted/reinstalled it on my computer before, thinking > that I would get some sort of Activation request. No such thing happened, and > it wasn't even hooked up to the internet at that time. That's not at all unusual. Back when Dell did provide installation CDs, those CDs were linked to the BIOS of the PCs with which they were sold. As long as you used that CD only on the Dell hardware for which it was designed, it didn't require activation. Had you tried to use that CD on a non-Dell system, however, it would have.
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