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Windows Forum / Windows XP / New Users / April 2007New hard disk
On a regular basis I create an image of my hard disk using Drive Image 7. The image file is located on an external disk. My hard disk went, and I replaced it. The Dell technician used the Win XP SP2 restore disk to restore Windows. I then restored my disk from the external by booting with the Drive Image CD. It would not reboot! This meant that the imaging software was faulty, as it did not restore the system! Would Symantec Ghost work? Or is it impossible to restore the system from an external? Well, I had to put in the Windows CD and restore. This deleted the registry. I copied from the external the /Windows files, pressing Ignore for files it did not allow me to copy. Some registry settings I exported and was able to import. I also exported the entire registry, but was not able to import it. Hard disks go all the time. It should be possible to restore the system without reinstalling the programs using the CD's. Can one create a restore point on the external, and restore from here? Can BACKUP do this job? I now have a few minor problems. Open Control Panel. I get an error message: Intel (R) PROset Resources are not available. Click OK,and the control panel opens. Do you have any idea how to fix this? Reboot. It asks me which Windows I want. Both are identical. How can I get rid of the message? Thank you very much. >create an image of my hard disk using Drive Image 7 I use http://www.bootitng.com/image.html Will create an image to a 2nd internal hard drive, to an external USB drive, or to a CD/DVD drive... and will then make the CD/DVD bootable > >create an image of my hard disk using Drive Image 7 > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > external USB drive, or to a CD/DVD drive... and will then > make the CD/DVD bootable The image file is too large to fit on a CD. >> >create an image of my hard disk using Drive Image 7 >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >The image file is too large to fit on a CD. Go read at the web site... will span multiple discs > On a regular basis I create an image of my hard disk using Drive Image > 7. The image file is located on an external disk. My hard disk went, and [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > I sometimes use Norton Ghost but I would think your program should have an option of creating boot floppies with a restore (from whatever drive you have the image on) or it may have an option to make the image bootable. > > On a regular basis I create an image of my hard disk using Drive Image > > 7. The image file is located on an external disk. My hard disk went, and [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > > > I sometimes use Norton Ghost but I would think your program should have an option of creating boot floppies with a restore (from whatever drive you have the image on) or it may have an option to make the image bootable. Got dragged away........ and as pointed out by John most of these full feature programs span multiple CDs or DVDs and often the program CD is also bootable to allow restores of images wherever they are and it should contain a method (Norton has Ghost Walker I think) of viewing the image to see what is in it. Finally of course when these programs create images they usually give an option to verify the image. This takes twice as long but it sometimes saves a lot of heartache! In any case sometimes images are not the "best" backup since they recreate any problems that have developed. Why not (also) use a back-up program to decide which folders/files to back-up to another disk and then in the event of a disaster you have "good" back-up files? I use free (donation if you wish) Cobian backup which will put the files almost anywhere (USB, Firewire, internal etc drives) including FTP transfer if you have GBs of webspace (except CD or DVD but you can use another program to burn the files if you wish). It does it all on timed jobs and you can have full, differential, incremental backups (multiple jobs can be run to create different types of back-ups) as you prefer. It will also run either as a service or as a program with a GUI. > > > On a regular basis I create an image of my hard disk using Drive Image > > > 7. The image file is located on an external disk. My hard disk went, and [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > back-ups) as you prefer. It will also run either as a service or as a > program with a GUI. Maybe you do not understand. I have my files on the external. What I do not have is the registry and other mysterous files. Now the correct way to backup the system is to put \windows on the CD, and then copy the extra files from the external. >>>>On a regular basis I create an image of my hard disk using Drive Image >>>>7. The image file is located on an external disk. My hard disk went, and [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Maybe you do not understand. I have my files on the external. What I do not have is the registry and other mysterous files. Now the correct way to backup the system is to put \windows on the CD, and then copy the extra files > from the external. Regardless of whether one uses Drive Image or Ghost or True Image, the image file must be generated on an external partition or media since the image file must be re-written to the partition from which it was derived, in the case of restoring from backup. The trick is to get the computer started to the point of being able to recover the operating system from its image file. As to why the Drive Image CD had failed to boot, one must examine the computer for the cause, if the CDROM disc made bootable. And one does not need Windows to copy the Windows XP (or other OS) image file to its system partition on a sector-by-sector basis. (IIRC, Drive Image borrows a runtime version of DR DOS.) Because Windows does not allow files that are in use to be copied, it would require a non- Windows process, such as Drive Image, Ghost, True Image, etc., to include the excluded Registry Files, functioning system files, etc., to be included in the image. In one really wants to do as you propose, then the procedure might be to create a dual-boot between Win98SE and Windows XP with FAT32 partitions, and separate partitions for each OS. A complete copy of XP can be made via the Win98SE copy command, and vice versa. > >>>>On a regular basis I create an image of my hard disk using Drive Image > >>>>7. The image file is located on an external disk. My hard disk went, and [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > partitions, and separate partitions for each OS. A complete copy of > XP can be made via the Win98SE copy command, and vice versa. Okay, let me understand. I create a separate partition and install Win98SE. (I'll have to get it somehow). Then I restore the files to a directory on the external hard disk. I then use Win98SE copy to copy /windows from the external to the XP partition. Is it possible to copy \Windows from the external to a directory c:\external\Windows, and then use DR DOS or whatever to copy it back to Windows? Sorry for the overquote. > > In one really wants to do as you propose, then the procedure might > > be to create a dual-boot between Win98SE and Windows XP with FAT32 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Is it possible to copy \Windows from the external to a directory c:\external\Windows, and then use DR DOS or whatever to copy it back to Windows? Or use some software to create a bootable CD which would have /Windows. I would > then restore all my files from the external hard disk, and then insert the CD and restore /windows (including the registry). Thanks. > Sorry for the overquote. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks. Read the entire blurb. This dual-boot trick only works with FAT32 partitions, including that for the Windows XP system partition. It might be something you do not really want to do. > Sorry for the overquote. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks. But why? This is the manual way of doing what Disk Image, Ghost, etc., does, for making disk image copies of the Windows system partition as well as any other that can be selected by the user. The Dell tech was incorrect in doing a Windows XP restore; it was not necessary since the Disk Image image file had superseded it. Not that the Dell tech was incorrect in offering this advice...this was the only advice that the tech could offer on a support call without incurring any liability to Dell. The user should have understood better. Nor is it really a Windows problem that the Drive Image CD with the image file had failed to reboot. It is a computer fault, perhaps in bios setup. Or it could be an user fault in not specifying to make the CD bootable. Restoring partitions manually, as mentioned by GHalleck, carries its own risks. Whilst it can be done, there are caveats and this process should be left to the experts with the tools to do it. (Note that the use of Win98SE requires FAT32 partitions...not "typical" in a Windows XP installation.) Drive Image has been bought by Symantec. Test drive Ghost or True Image or any other imaging application; choose one and use it. > But why? This is the manual way of doing what Disk Image, Ghost, etc., > does, for making disk image copies of the Windows system partition as [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Ghost or True Image or any other imaging application; choose one and > use it. The Drive Image CD was bootable. I booted from this CD, and did the restore. It seemed to go fine. "Reboot after restore". I checked yes. The reboot failed. Shall I have reformatted the disk prior to booting from the Drive Image CD? Drive Image works fine. It creates images, and I can restore individual files. But when I had to replace the hard disk I could not reboot from the disk. My wonder is that we know that hard disks fail frequently. We have known this for years. Why isn't there a simple way to replace the hard disk and restore from the image on the external? >>But why? This is the manual way of doing what Disk Image, Ghost, etc., >>does, for making disk image copies of the Windows system partition as [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > My wonder is that we know that hard disks fail frequently. We have known this for years. Why isn't there a simple way to replace the hard disk and restore from the image on the external? Restoring from external disk drives has been done from years. Drive Image was one of the first to support the use of external SCSI drives. It could be started from a floppy disk drive which loaded an operating system into memory and the executable file to clone the new partition from the image file stored on the external drive. Ghost is another that had this capability. AFAIK, almost all of the current disk imaging apps have the capability of self-booting or running from a rudimentary OS just for the purpose of cloning and, depending on the setup, some other options. It is about as simple as it can get...practically routine. > > The Drive Image CD was bootable. I booted from this CD, and did the restore. It seemed to go fine. "Reboot after restore". I checked yes. The reboot failed. > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > just for the purpose of cloning and, depending on the setup, some other > options. It is about as simple as it can get...practically routine. You did not answer my questions. 1. Should I have ran Drive Image prior to the Windows restore CD? 2. If I run Drive Image on a just formatted hard disk, and try to restore the system from the image on the external hard disk, how can the computer see the external disk if Windows was not installed? >>>The Drive Image CD was bootable. I booted from this CD, and did the restore. It seemed to go fine. "Reboot after restore". I checked yes. The reboot failed. >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>just for the purpose of cloning and, depending on the setup, some other >>options. It is about as simple as it can get...practically routine. Replied in-line: Just as I thought...someone did not read the DriveImage manual. It had to be copied from the DriveImage cdrom or from the website if it had been downloaded. And it would have helped had these 2 questions been directly asked right from the outset. > You did not answer my questions. > > 1. Should I have ran Drive Image prior to the Windows restore CD? Yes. The Windows restore CD is not necessary if the DriveImage image file had superseded it. The Windows restore CD from Dell is just the disk image of the factory version. The Drive Image image file contains the version of Windows as the user had configured it, at the time the image was made. You could have figured that out by the answer given by Mistoffolees, when he wrote that the Dell technician was just doing his/her job. > 2. If I run Drive Image on a just formatted hard disk, and try to restore the system from the image on the external hard disk, how can the computer see the external disk if Windows was not > installed? The Windows operating system is not needed to restore from an external source. The Windows operating system, in fact, may hinder just such a recovery, in order to protect itself from having working system files over-written. Mistoffolees, again, gave the answer. Most self-booting disk cloning or recovery programs have all the commands built-in for partitioning, sizing, formatting and the sector-by-sector extraction of the image file and copying to the hard drive, just as they do for building the sector-by-sector imaging of the hard drive to a file. DriveImage is somewhat dated. It boots into a runtime version of DR DOS and, more recently, into its descendent version (? Culebra). If the computer cannot natively identify the external drive (because it or its bios is too ancient), then one must also re-write the autoexec.bat and config.sys file, and add the system drivers to the boot disc. Nor, IIRC, can DriveImage 7.0 restore from USB. (External SCSI, yes; internal HD, yes.) Current versions of Ghost and True Image, among others, are OK (and this is cominh from a Drive Image user when it was programmed by PowerQuest.) > DriveImage is somewhat dated. It boots into a runtime version of DR DOS > and, more recently, into its descendent version (? Culebra). If the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > (and this is cominh from a Drive Image user when it was programmed by > PowerQuest.) Okay, I got it. I'll get Acronis. This will allow me to create an image of the hard disk on the external drive (USB). In case of a crash, I replace the hard disk, format it, put in the Acronis bootable disk, and restore from the external. Is this correct? If so, I'll get the Acronis product right away. Thanks a lot. >> DriveImage is somewhat dated. It boots into a runtime version of DR DOS >> and, more recently, into its descendent version (? Culebra). If the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Thanks a lot. You have been terribly, terribly been misinformed by the previous reply. I have no qualms if Acronis or DI 7.0 will do the job you seek. Both have hard disk copy capability if all else fails. Just be sure the target is all free space, no partitions.  SignatureDave Apathy and denial are close cousins >>>>The Drive Image CD was bootable. I booted from this CD, and did the >>>>restore. It seemed to go fine. "Reboot after restore". I checked yes. [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > (and this is cominh from a Drive Image user when it was programmed by > PowerQuest.) Dated, a perspective. Continues to work well here. DI 7.0 restore/ installation CD runs on windows PE. DI 6.0/2002 runs on the DR DOS. DI 7.0 can restore from both USB and Firewire connected hard drives. There is no autoexec or config.sys to re-write (DI 6.0/2002, yes). All is hard written (read-only) to the DI 7.0 bootable CD. It has an F6 option, like a windows installation, to inject a hardware driver if needed during booting. Long time user of DI 7.0 SignatureDave Apathy and denial are close cousins >>>>>The Drive Image CD was bootable. I booted from this CD, and did the >>>>>restore. It seemed to go fine. "Reboot after restore". I checked yes. [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > Long time user of DI 7.0 Addendum. DI 6.0 restore only works in IBM DR DOS, IF, you attempt to image the boot drive. That won't happen here as can only be invoked from the Win 95/98/98SE/ME environment while in DI 6.0. It writes a temporary boot floppy image where the PC subsequently boots from. DI 6.0 creates two physical boot diskettes in windows for booting otherwise. The operating system is the base msdos for the version of windows used in that environment. SignatureDave Apathy and denial are close cousins >> > The Drive Image CD was bootable. I booted from this CD, and did the >> > restore. It seemed to go fine. "Reboot after restore". I checked yes. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > 1. Should I have ran Drive Image prior to the Windows restore CD? Doesn't matter. DI 7.0, installation/recovery boot CD, will recover the image (if a good image file(s)) to make the original XP partition saved previously. > 2. If I run Drive Image on a just formatted hard disk, and try to restore > the system from the image on the external hard disk, how can the computer > see the external disk if Windows was not > installed? You don't partition OR format a hard drive when using a recovery software to restore an image of a partition. Whenever you decide to divulge the original hd capacity and the new hard drive capacity, would be great. SignatureDave Apathy and denial are close cousins >> But why? This is the manual way of doing what Disk Image, Ghost, etc., >> does, for making disk image copies of the Windows system partition as [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > this for years. Why isn't there a simple way to replace the hard disk and > restore from the image on the external? Using the DI 7.0 installation/recovery boot CD, it recovers the data as saved. That's why there's a verification option during the imaging process that can be elected. Faulty, the image will not save to disk. There will be nothing to recover as a result. If faulty, and the verification is NOT elected, and the image file is internally corrupt, the resulting image is no good for recovery. Assuming the recovery image file is okay, all DI needs is adequate blank/unused hard drive space to write the partition and its contents. If you want that recovered partition bootable, and there's another bootable partition on that hard drive, that's another question you've not asked if true. SignatureDave Apathy and denial are close cousins >> > On a regular basis I create an image of my hard disk using Drive Image >> > 7. The image file is located on an external disk. My hard disk went, [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > back-ups) as you prefer. It will also run either as a service or as a > program with a GUI. Verification takes just slightly over 33% beyond the imaging time on DriveImage 7.0, my experiences. SignatureDave Apathy and denial are close cousins Don't understand. More details involved in the recovery. Did you click/check any options prior to the recovery to start? For instance boot signature and/or mbr. Did you verify the the image file(s) during the imaging process? Are you recovering to the same computer, including same identical hardware and so forth? SignatureDave Apathy and denial are close cousins > On a regular basis I create an image of my hard disk using Drive Image > 7. The image file is located on an external disk. My hard disk went, and [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Thank you very much. > Don't understand. More details involved in the recovery. Did you > click/check any options prior to the recovery to start? For instance boot [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and so forth? > -- Recovering to the same computer. The hard disk was replaced. My system is now working. I am concerned how to protect myself in the future. Is DI good enough, or shall I get something else, like True Image? I am not sure if I verified the image during the imaging. I'll do it again and check. I did verify during the recovery. During recovery, I did say the new drive should be bootable. There was another option about disk signature. I do not understand this, and did not check it, because it was physically a different disk. Again, this should be a routine process, for hard disks fail. Thanks for your help. I'll try my best to answer any of your questions. BTW, do you press CR at the end of each line when you type a message? How come your lines do not scroll? >>Don't understand. More details involved in the recovery. Did you >>click/check any options prior to the recovery to start? For instance boot [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > BTW, do you press CR at the end of each line when you type a message? How come > your lines do not scroll? Based on the contents of this thread, find and use the best disk imaging application that YOU are comfortable with. That is, it will be based on your ability to understand the "computerese" of the instruction manual. Or, alternately, find a friend or pay a tech to teach you how to use any particular one and follow the instructions by rote. >> Don't understand. More details involved in the recovery. Did you >> click/check any options prior to the recovery to start? For instance [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > My system is now working. I am concerned how to protect myself in the > future. Why/how is it now working? > Is DI good enough, or shall I get something else, like True Image? > I am not sure if I verified the image during the imaging. I'll do it again > and > check. I did verify during the recovery. During the imaging process after imaging itself, verification of internal of image file would be conducted if selected. After the fact, during recovery, its too late. It will only let you know if there's a problem. > During recovery, I did say the new drive should be bootable. There was > another > option about disk signature. I do not understand this, and did not check > it, The XP installation makes a signature for each hard drive it sees. It should be identical on a drive that recovered with an image file, and that hard drive is a replacement for one removed. XP has no idea at that point its a different installation location. > because it was physically a different disk. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > come > your lines do not scroll? Am using Outlook Express for news. Version 6 that comes with SP2. It automatically goes to the next line when I type. I do not use full screen for replies. SignatureDave Apathy and denial are close cousins |
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