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lordy-lordy - 30 Mar 2008 11:49 GMT

xp sp1 running fine
xp sp2 auto update, we hoped ...
installation finished ok, or so it said...
no viruses, no addware, no spyware, clean disk

next, not boot !!!!
ntosknrl loads fine, registry, drivers ok
soon after mup.sys (last driver) just before xp logo, winlogon, lsass
comes in ... boom !!! crash !!!
bsod stop 0x00000050
cd sp1 erc does not recognize the disk, so no 'r' for whatever it is worth ...
what a piece of crap software this is
any ideas ?

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John John - 30 Mar 2008 12:05 GMT

What is the rest of the 0x50 error message? This is a driver error
message, is the name of the driver supplied in the BSOD?

The reason you cannot see the disk when you boot with the XP CD is
probably because setup is missing the controller drivers. You have to
press F6 at the beginning of the setup routine and supply the SATA or
other drive controller drivers to the setup program, the drivers must be
supplied on a floppy diskette.

John

> xp sp1 running fine
> xp sp2 auto update, we hoped ...
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> what a piece of crap software this is
> any ideas ?

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lordy-lordy - 30 Mar 2008 17:24 GMT

thanks john, it's good to hear from you
hope this finds you well

> What is the rest of the 0x50 error message? This is a driver error
> message, is the name of the driver supplied in the BSOD?

the rest of the message is hex goobbly-doo
no, bsod is only that, no driver name, no such luck, no such soft 'developers'
I tried to remove some usual driver suspects, just for
the pleasure of rebooting

> The reason you cannot see the disk when you boot with the XP CD is
> probably because setup is missing the controller drivers. You have to
> press F6 at the beginning of the setup routine and supply the SATA or
> other drive controller drivers to the setup program, the drivers must be
> supplied on a floppy diskette.

wrong
the reason I cannot see the disk is because xp & bg don't know how
to write decent & simple software
and yes, i did the f6 thing

be well o'l boy and ... eat organic

> John
>
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> > what a piece of crap software this is
> > any ideas ?

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John John - 30 Mar 2008 18:31 GMT

> the rest of the message is hex goobbly-doo
> no, bsod is only that, no driver name, no such luck, no such soft 'developers'
> I tried to remove some usual driver suspects, just for
> the pleasure of rebooting

How did you "remove" those drivers, with a PE disk or...?

John

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lordy-lordy - 30 Mar 2008 18:41 GMT

thanks john
good to hear from you
hope this finds you well

> > the rest of the message is hex goobbly-doo
> > no, bsod is only that, no driver name, no such luck, no such soft 'developers'
> > I tried to remove some usual driver suspects, just for
> > the pleasure of rebooting
>
> How did you "remove" those drivers, with a PE disk or...?

hd1: winpro 2000 sp4 ok
hd2: xp sp1 ok --> sp2 auto update, not doing so well
boot on hd1, ren ...\drivers on hd2

cheers o'l boy & eat organic

> John

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John John - 30 Mar 2008 18:45 GMT

> thanks john
> good to hear from you
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> hd2: xp sp1 ok --> sp2 auto update, not doing so well
> boot on hd1, ren ...\drivers on hd2

And did you disable the associated entries in the Services branch of the
proper Control Set?

John

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lordy-lordy - 30 Mar 2008 19:43 GMT

thanks john
good to hear from you
hope this finds you well too

> And did you disable the associated entries in the Services branch of the
> proper Control Set?

I would if i could but xp pro is not up & running
I'm on hd1 win2000 pro sp4
at this time, i can only copy/rename/edit files on hd2 from win2000 sp4 hd1

cheers o'l boy and ... eat local organic

> > thanks john
> > good to hear from you
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>
> John

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John John - 31 Mar 2008 01:51 GMT

> thanks john
> good to hear from you
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I'm on hd1 win2000 pro sp4
> at this time, i can only copy/rename/edit files on hd2 from win2000 sp4 hd1

You can't rename or remove drivers without changing their start values
or removing them from the Services key, it's no surprise that you are
getting 0x50 BSOD's!

You can try to load the XP hive with Regedt32, if you cannot load it you
will have to use a third party editor or edit it with a PE disk and a
registry plug-in.

John

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Shenan Stanley - 30 Mar 2008 16:25 GMT

> xp sp1 running fine
> xp sp2 auto update, we hoped ...
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> is worth ... what a piece of crap software this is
> any ideas ?

Several possible issues... The bluescreen should give more detail.

Boot into safe mode, use system restore to roll back before you installed
SP2.

Visit the hardware manufacturer web pages (especially for motherboard
chipset, video card, network card and sound card) and download/install the
latest hardware drivers.

Disconnect all unnecessary peripherals (printers, scanners, cameras,
external hard drives, etc) and download the IT installation version of SP2:

Direct Download of Service Pack 2 (SP2) for Windows XP
http://snipurl.com/8bqy

Install it.

You can also use the above download to integtrate SP2 into your installation
media so you can use it to repair an SP2 level machine. NLite is a good
choice if you have no idea how to slipstream/integrate service packs and
patches into a Windows XP CD --> as it will do it for you and create an ISO
for you to utilize/burn to a working CD.

More information/ideas:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894278

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lordy-lordy - 30 Mar 2008 18:14 GMT

thanks shenan
good to hear from you
hope this finds you well

> > xp sp1 running fine
> > xp sp2 auto update, we hoped ...
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Several possible issues... The bluescreen should give more detail.

or so it should, but common sense kills

> Boot into safe mode, use system restore to roll back before you installed
> SP2

safe mode, debug mode, sans network mode, soap & lather mode,
the mode is on to pleasuse the rebooting gods

> Visit the hardware manufacturer web pages (especially for motherboard
> chipset, video card, network card and sound card) and download/install the
> latest hardware drivers.

latest & swankiest drivers, xp, av, ad, spy, all scanned *prior* to sp2,
clean, sp1 running fine, remember ?

> Disconnect all unnecessary peripherals (printers, scanners, cameras,
> external hard drives, etc) and download the IT installation version of SP2:

including memory
i pray to the rebooting gods constantly

> Direct Download of Service Pack 2 (SP2) for Windows XP
> http://snipurl.com/8bqy
>
> Install it.

no lord vader, do not underestimate the power of the dark side of the bg
I took the chauffer trip & valet parking:
DO NOT CLICK DOWNLOAD IF YOU ARE UPDATING JUST ONE COMPUTER: A smaller, more
appropriate download is now available on Windows Update. The best way to
ensure you get Windows XP Service Pack 2 is by turning on the Automatic
Updates feature in Windows XP today. You can use our step-by-step
instructions or, if you prefer, let us do it for you.
or so they tried

> You can also use the above download to integtrate SP2 into your installation
> media so you can use it to repair an SP2 level machine. NLite is a good
> choice if you have no idea how to slipstream/integrate service packs and
> patches into a Windows XP CD --> as it will do it for you and create an ISO
> for you to utilize/burn to a working CD.

only when xp is up and running to ss/i into a cd

> More information/ideas:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894278

clean everything, remember ?

bg is latin for bug geek

cheers ol'man and ... eat organic

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Shenan Stanley - 30 Mar 2008 18:33 GMT

> thanks shenan
> good to hear from you
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>
> cheers ol'man and ... eat organic

re: "safe mode, debug mode, sans network mode, soap & lather mode, the mode
is on to pleasuse the rebooting gods"

I have no idea what that means... However - if you would explain what
happens when you boot into safe mode - that would be great. (Does it do the
same thing and bluescreen and reboot? Can you choose *not to reboot on
error* when you get the option t safe mode boot and if so - that should
leave the error up longer for you to copy more of it down.)

re: "latest & swankiest drivers, xp, av, ad, spy, all scanned *prior* to
sp2, clean, sp1 running fine, remember ?"...

Windows XP SP1 up and working working and having the latest drivers are not
necessarily connected. There were many software packages and drivers (even
system BIOS - or motherboard firmware) that had to be updated in order to
install SP2 onto a perfectly working and clean install of Windows XP with
SP1 installed already and *not* crash in the process. The need for this
greatly depends on the system in question (hardware specs needed.)

re: "I took the chauffer trip & valet parking: DO NOT CLICK DOWNLOAD IF YOU
ARE UPDATING JUST ONE COMPUTER: A smaller, more appropriate download is now
available on Windows Update."

Take the advice and get the full download next time. Consider yourself an
IT professional in this case. There is no need to use Windows Update for
SP2 - whether or not you are doing one computer or thousands. The advice is
meant as a warning to those with crappy Internet connectivity...

re: "only when xp is up and running to ss/i into a cd"

You obviously have some system up and running - or you would not be
successfully posting here. Any Windows XP system (Windows 2000 as well - I
believe) can be used to integrate/slipstream SP2 and post-sp2 pacthes into a
CD and butrn a copy - given you have a CD burner and the rights needed to
utilize the computer in this fashion.

re: "clean everything, remember ?"

Clean everything means nothing to me. One person's clean is polluted to me.
;-)

See the above for queries - let me know what hardware you have
specifically... Motherboard, video card, sound card, etc. Chekc for a BIOS
update for your motherboard. Do download the IT Professional version of SP2
and keep it to use and/or integrate. Make sure you have the latest drivers
for everything straight from the manufacturer's web pages (not Microsoft
updates.)

You have alluded to this being a clean install - if that is true - the
integration and installation of SP2 from the beginning is your best bet on
the cleanest of systems.

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lordy-lordy - 30 Mar 2008 19:37 GMT

thanks shenan
it's good to hear from you
hope this finds you well too

>re: "safe mode, debug mode, sans network mode, soap & lather mode, the mode
>is on to pleasuse the rebooting gods"

>I have no idea what that means... However - if you would explain what
>happens when you boot into safe mode - that would be great. (Does it do the
>same thing and bluescreen and reboot? Can you choose *not to reboot on
> error* when you get the option t safe mode boot and if so - that should
> leave the error up longer for you to copy more of it down.)

any mode does the same, the kernel boots, loads registry, the essential
drivers
follow (last one is mup.sys) one sec later ... !!! booom !!! ... crash ...
bsod

> re: "latest & swankiest drivers, xp, av, ad, spy, all scanned *prior* to
> sp2, clean, sp1 running fine, remember ?"...
>
> Windows XP SP1 up and working working and having the latest drivers are not
> necessarily connected.

i figured da much too
working working for da yanke dallar

> There were many software packages and drivers (even
> system BIOS - or motherboard firmware) that had to be updated in order to

slo down ol'boy, sys bios update is a separate process, no xp involved

> install SP2 onto a perfectly working and clean install of Windows XP with
> SP1 installed already and *not* crash in the process. The need for this
> greatly depends on the system in question (hardware specs needed.)

iwill, or so they say, mobo kk266, adm 1400 cpu, 1GB ram, latest mfg bios
via mobo chip set vt8363
adaptec ash-1233 ata/100 pci controller
agp matrox g200 video
cmi8738 mobo sound chip
hd1: winpro 2000 sp4 seasgate 160mb ok
hd2: xp sp1 seasgate 400mb ok --> sp2 auto update, not doing so well

> re: "I took the chauffer trip & valet parking: DO NOT CLICK DOWNLOAD IF YOU
> ARE UPDATING JUST ONE COMPUTER: A smaller, more appropriate download is now
> available on Windows Update."

... or let us (bg) do it for (poor) you

> Take the advice and get the full download next time. Consider yourself an
> IT professional in this case. There is no need to use Windows Update for
> SP2 - whether or not you are doing one computer or thousands. The advice is
> meant as a warning to those with crappy Internet connectivity...

i passed the consideration tests long ago, thanks
... or let us (bg) do it for you, and they did as
after an organic snack & organic oj, the updates were ready for me to install
internet can be crappy for sure, connectivity is good

> re: "only when xp is up and running to ss/i into a cd"
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> CD and butrn a copy - given you have a CD burner and the rights needed to
> utilize the computer in this fashion.

wrong
ss/i requires xp up and running as mentioned before
the lord of the rights is happy too, verification passed long ago,
otherwise auto update could not be enabled
do not underestimate the power of the bright side

> re: "clean everything, remember ?"
>
> Clean everything means nothing to me. One person's clean is polluted to me.
> ;-)

shocking
no doubt that is why we are all quickly destroying the planet

> See the above for queries - let me know what hardware you have
> specifically... Motherboard, video card, sound card, etc. Chekc for a BIOS
> update for your motherboard. Do download the IT Professional version of SP2
> and keep it to use and/or integrate. Make sure you have the latest drivers
> for everything straight from the manufacturer's web pages (not Microsoft
> updates.)

straight from the bull's eye
specs above
wonder if the 'r' after 'enter' really works & preserves data & installed
applications ?
after sp1---> auto sp2, the registry was corrupted, wouldn't you believe ?
I replaced it with ...\repair hives

> You have alluded to this being a clean install - if that is true - the
> integration and installation of SP2 from the beginning is your best bet on
> the cleanest of systems.

passed the polygraph too, thanks
sp1 pro clean install into hd2 earlier w/ a lot of applications installed,
sp2 was not available until auto update installed itself courtesy of the
management

bg is zulu for bug geek

cheers o'l man ... and eat organic

> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP

> > thanks shenan
> > good to hear from you
[quoted text clipped - 71 lines]
> >
> > cheers ol'man and ... eat organic

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