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Windows Forum / Windows XP / General Topics 2 / May 2008My SP3 results so far
Yesterday I backed my XPpro up using both image and clone. Went to MicroSoft Updates and did their 'download and install'. I would rather have downloaded just the SP3 file, naturally, to have it available for a later possible update, but Microsoft prevents this, only offering the huge 300M version for download alone. The process of downloading and installing took nearly 40 minutes! My DSL is running at 2244Kbits when I tested just now so it wasn't download speed, there was just a LOT of moving and shakin to that SP3!. I was totally amazed when the blamed thing rebooted and came up normally after all that disk thrashing and Microsoft intrusiveness. I made a quick attempt to test all my software (there's a lot) and, far as I could see it was all working. Following the link XP SP3 tech net forum: http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=2010&SiteID=17 that I got from this newsgroup I found many people having troubles with SP3. One complained of Windows Updates no longer working. So I tried that next and, sure enough it no longer worked. Then neither FireFox or IE7 would connect to internet. After considerable thrashing around I finally concluded that SP3 had changed something in my ZoneAlarm firewall. Once ZA blocked one Generic Host Processor 'intrusion' then neither browser would work till ZA was turned off. Setting the Generic Host Processor to 'Trusted' in ZA didn't help. But in Firewall, Zones my network adaptor card (which is connected to my DSL modem and thus the internet) was set to 'Internet'. I changed this to 'Trusted' and things started working. Set back to 'Internet' - things still worked, but only temporarily. Had to keep network card at 'Trusted' for system to work. That's the part of the elephant I'm feeling so far. Good post; thanks. > Yesterday I backed my XPpro up using both image and clone. Went to > MicroSoft Updates and did their 'download and install'. I would rather [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > 'Trusted' for system to work. > That's the part of the elephant I'm feeling so far. > Yesterday I backed my XPpro up using both image and clone. Went to > MicroSoft Updates and did their 'download and install'. I would rather [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > 'Trusted' for system to work. > That's the part of the elephant I'm feeling so far. The 314 meg download is SP3. There is no smaller item. If you have a fully updated system you only install 67 megs or so, probably the new hotfixes and updates that were previously not distributed. But SP3 = 300+ meg. If you have to do more than one PC on a slow connection, you would be better off downloading and putting it on a thumb or CD. >> Yesterday I backed my XPpro up using both image and clone. Went to >> MicroSoft Updates and did their 'download and install'. I would rather [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> 'Trusted' for system to work. >> That's the part of the elephant I'm feeling so far. > The 314 meg download is SP3. There is no smaller item. If you have a > fully updated system you only install 67 megs or so, probably the new > hotfixes and updates that were previously not distributed. But SP3 = 300+ > meg. If you have to do more than one PC on a slow connection, you would > be better off downloading and putting it on a thumb or CD. I, too, have just installed SP3 in the same manner as the OP. I have kept very current with Windows Updates so expected the increase in files and harddrive space to be minimal. However, a comparison between a full harddrive backup before SP3 and another after installation of SP3 shows an increase of 2710 files totalling 0.6 GB. How come? Also, I am finding my whole system "clunky", e.g. boot-up takes longer, and programs take longer to load. In OE6 I am also getting that annoying message about "No connection to the internet is currently available. Retry" etc. I don`t have a very powerful computer and think that SP3 has made the OS so top-heavy, it is struggling to do "normal" things, especially if I am running a graphics program which is heavy on memory usage. If I find that I cannot take it anymore, can I uninstall SP3? I would, presumably, then have to re-install SP2 and then get all the updates since then. A daunting prospect. Thanks for listening! Kate >>> Yesterday I backed my XPpro up using both image and clone. Went to >>> MicroSoft Updates and did their 'download and install'. I would [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > Thanks for listening! > Kate Have you emptied the Recycle bin? Have you done a defrag? Have you done a Disk Cleanup? (Start, run, accessories, system tools, disk cleanup) Do you still have the SP3 original download stuff still on your drive? And all the temp files it created? Restart your machine 3 times in a row; see if that doesn't help some too. It's highly likely it will. Yes, you can uninstall SP3 but ... SP3 is nothing but SP2 with all those hotfixes included, so it's essentially the same thing with a few extra features & gizmos added for good measure. I don't know what your numbers show because of so little data along with them, but I find them slightly suspicious and suspect something else is at work that's confusing the issue on you. Twayne >> I, too, have just installed SP3 in the same manner as the OP. I have >> kept very current with Windows Updates so expected the increase in [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Twayne I have checked in Windows/Temp and TEMP, and they are empty. Haven`t done a disk cleanup though. Of course, there are all those SP3 Uninstall files which are taking up disk space, but I won`t delete it until I am sure that all is well. I am not sure what the 2710 files are either. My backup software just shows that number of extra "objects", which I assume are files. I always kept critical updates current, but rarely downloaded any of the hotfixes as most, if not all, of them related to aspects that I do not use. I have disabled the obvious ones in My Computer/Manage/Services and my system seems to be a bit less soggy. BTW, I read elsewhere that if I do uninstall SP3, my system will revert to SP2 automatically, which is a relief. I shall try Disk Cleanup and a defrag - although, I thought that with Windows XP, defragging wasn`t so necessary as with, say, Windows 98SE? Thanks for the advice. Kate (see also my reply to John Smith) >I, too, have just installed SP3 in the same manner as the OP. I have kept >very current with Windows Updates so expected the increase in files and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Thanks for listening! >Kate My backup image before SP3 was 9.71gig, afterwards it went to 10.0gig. I don't think this increase in size has to do with any system slowdown unless you're critically short on disk space on C: drive. I don't THINK you'd have to reinstall SP2 if you uninstalled SP3 using the Remove button in AddRemovePrograms, but that's just a guess. I haven't noticed my machine is more clunky than usual after SP3. My motherboard is 2002 vintage, cpu is 2.2gig, I have 60gig of freespace on C: drive(PATA). My boot is always slow and I don't monitor it till it's up. Big apps like Firefox, Photoshop, Winword t-a-k-e t-h-e-i-r t-i-m-e coming up. If you would invest in a good backup system you wouldn't have to agonize about going back in time. I use DeviceImage7 to image to a RAID drive (my mb has RAID) that I plug on when I want to back up. I also clone with Maxtor MaxBlast, (a program that came with a hard drive I bought to troubleshoot with and then returned) The clone drive resides in a USB enclosure. (belt and suspenders, I recently found out that you can't restore image to a drive that had developed a sector problem - you just get the same error). >> Yesterday I backed my XPpro up using both image and clone. Went to >> MicroSoft Updates and did their 'download and install'..... >The 314 meg download is SP3. There is no smaller item. If you have a >fully updated system you only install 67 megs or so, probably the new >hotfixes and updates that were previously not distributed. But SP3 = >300+ meg. If you have to do more than one PC on a slow connection, you >would be better off downloading and putting it on a thumb or CD. Thanks for explaining that. I'll want that 300meg stored on a CD for 'next time'. John, I have been attempting to reply to your post to me, but, despite trying twice, it doesn`t appear. So I will try here... Your post : My backup image before SP3 was 9.71gig, afterwards it went to 10.0gig. I don't think this increase in size has to do with any system slowdown unless you're critically short on disk space on C: drive. I don't THINK you'd have to reinstall SP2 if you uninstalled SP3 using the Remove button in AddRemovePrograms, but that's just a guess. I haven't noticed my machine is more clunky than usual after SP3. My motherboard is 2002 vintage, cpu is 2.2gig, I have 60gig of freespace on C: drive(PATA). My boot is always slow and I don't monitor it till it's up. Big apps like Firefox, Photoshop, Winword t-a-k-e t-h-e-i-r t-i-m-e coming up. If you would invest in a good backup system you wouldn't have to agonize about going back in time. I use DeviceImage7 to image to a RAID drive (my mb has RAID) that I plug on when I want to back up. I also clone with Maxtor MaxBlast, (a program that came with a hard drive I bought to troubleshoot with and then returned) The clone drive resides in a USB enclosure. (belt and suspenders, I recently found out that you can't restore image to a drive that had developed a sector problem - you just get the same error). My reply : Maybe I was noticing a slow-down that didn`t exist just because I was paying more attention! Your computer sounds more powerful than mine; I`ve only got a puny 512MB of memory. I do back up my whole system every day, using an external HD with Yosemite Tech Backup software. As I mentioned in my reply to "Twayne", I have read that if you uninstall SP3 it automatically reverts to SP2, as it was before installing SP3 - which implies all updates - so it may not be so bad after all. Thank you for your advice. Kate (I replied much earlier but, although my reply to Twayne appeared, this did not. Apologies if it subsequently turns up.) |
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