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philo - 26 Apr 2008 13:00 GMT
FWIW: I've instsalled SP3 final and have been running it for 24 hours
now...and found that there have been no problems at all.
My AMD XP2500 with 2 gigs of RAM runs noticably better.

Up until SP3 was installed it always seemed slightly sluggish...but now it
runs the way I had always hoped it to.

I don't think I've ever seen an SP actually improve performance...

I must say that MS did a good job this time!
FrankV - 26 Apr 2008 16:04 GMT
Similar notes have been sent by various users (including me) and I read
someplace it is about a 10% increase in overall speed.

Frank

> FWIW: I've instsalled SP3 final and have been running it for 24 hours
> now...and found that there have been no problems at all.
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> I must say that MS did a good job this time!
philo - 26 Apr 2008 16:43 GMT
> Similar notes have been sent by various users (including me) and I read
> someplace it is about a 10% increase in overall speed.
>
> Frank

Yes...It "feels" like a 10% speed increase . Just enough to make a nice
difference

>> FWIW: I've instsalled SP3 final and have been running it for 24 hours
>> now...and found that there have been no problems at all.
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>> I must say that MS did a good job this time!
PD43 - 26 Apr 2008 17:14 GMT
>Similar notes have been sent by various users (including me) and I read
>someplace it is about a 10% increase in overall speed.

Have had it here for 2 days now and don't notice any speed increase at
all.  But I'm running a bare-bones list of services, and had this
machine pretty finely tuned already.
Bill in Co. - 26 Apr 2008 21:20 GMT
Have all the purported advantages or fixes of SP3 been posted yet?

> FWIW: I've instsalled SP3 final and have been running it for 24 hours
> now...and found that there have been no problems at all.
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> I must say that MS did a good job this time!
ANONYMOUS - 26 Apr 2008 21:28 GMT
>Have all the purported advantages or fixes of SP3 been posted yet?
>
>  

Perhaps yes but new bugs must have been introduced in SP3 which will
take another year of hotfixes to get sorted out!  This is how MS works.  
It keeps them busy when there is nothing going on and new products don't
come out as scheduled!
philo - 26 Apr 2008 21:32 GMT
> Have all the purported advantages or fixes of SP3 been posted yet?
>
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>> I must say that MS did a good job this time!

SP3 offers greater security and many folks find improved performance.(I did)

Note: Though SP3 has been pretty well tested...there is at least some chance
it can ruin your system...

In the unlikely event that SP3 would malfunction...
if the machine can be booted to safe mode...it could be uninstalled.

But an entire system backup is still recommended
Bill in Co. - 26 Apr 2008 22:40 GMT
>> Have all the purported advantages or fixes of SP3 been posted yet?
>>
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> But an entire system backup is still recommended

I took a brief look at the url (and the SP3 pdf file there) that PD42
mentioned.   But I have to say, I don't see all that "much" there (from a
user's standpoint, and unless I missed it, nothing documented about any
(alleged by some) great performance boost).
PD43 - 26 Apr 2008 22:49 GMT
>I took a brief look at the url (and the SP3 pdf file there) that PD42
>mentioned.   But I have to say, I don't see all that "much" there (from a
>user's standpoint, and unless I missed it, nothing documented about any
>(alleged by some) great performance boost).

By George, I think you've got it.

Since you are on dialup, you will probably have to pay for a disc or
have a friend burn the stand-alone version to CD for you.

If you are up-to-date on all the hot fixes preceding SP3 you are
probably fine.
Bill in Co. - 27 Apr 2008 01:54 GMT
>> I took a brief look at the url (and the SP3 pdf file there) that PD42
>> mentioned.   But I have to say, I don't see all that "much" there (from a
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> Since you are on dialup, you will probably have to pay for a disc or
> have a friend burn the stand-alone version to CD for you.

If I ever wanted it, I'd order the CD.

> If you are up-to-date on all the hot fixes preceding SP3 you are
> probably fine.

I wouldn't consider it for the "never-ending story" of "security patches"
and whatnot, but I would consider it IF it actually added something truly
USEFUL, that was really missing, OR corrected some egregious system errors.

\Sorta like what happened between Win98 and Win98SE - now THAT was worth the
update.

OTOH, going from Win98SE to WinME wasn't worth it, nor did I do it - as in,
"thanks, but no thanks!".
PD43 - 27 Apr 2008 03:09 GMT
>OTOH, going from Win98SE to WinME wasn't worth it, nor did I do it - as in,
>"thanks, but no thanks!".

WinME was touted from the beginning to be only a stopgap to earn some
money for MS while XP was still being worked on.

Anyone with any clue about what was going on knew that XP was coming
and didn't waste time with ME.
Bill Sharpe - 21 May 2008 21:36 GMT
>> OTOH, going from Win98SE to WinME wasn't worth it, nor did I do it - as in,
>> "thanks, but no thanks!".
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> Anyone with any clue about what was going on knew that XP was coming
> and didn't waste time with ME.

But my previous HP machine shipped with ME. After about six months of
frustration I upgraded to XP Home Edition, despite HP's disclaimers that
they wouldn't support the new OS.

Bill
Robert Pendell - 27 Apr 2008 18:36 GMT
>> Have all the purported advantages or fixes of SP3 been posted yet?
>>
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> But an entire system backup is still recommended

Correct.  I tried one of the betas in the past and it went on ok then
but I still took the 2.5 hr timeframe to backup my entire drive.  This
is my escape route in case something should go horribly wrong.

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PD43 - 26 Apr 2008 21:38 GMT
>Have all the purported advantages or fixes of SP3 been posted yet?

Google is your friend:

http://tinyurl.com/2denpw
Colin Barnhorst - 26 Apr 2008 22:32 GMT
Have you read the release notes?  They've been out there for months.

> Have all the purported advantages or fixes of SP3 been posted yet?
>
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>> I must say that MS did a good job this time!
WindPipe - 27 Apr 2008 13:10 GMT
> FWIW: I've instsalled SP3 final and have been running it for 24 hours
> now...and found that there have been no problems at all.
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>
> I must say that MS did a good job this time!

Couldn't give you a percentage, but I have a noticable performance increase. With the added
bonus of Security Centre now recognising NOD32 2.7 Anti-virus, and Comodo Firewall Pro 3.
Think I'll use Security Centre now on (maybe not).

I think your right about MS doing a good job this time, who needs Vista! Hope they (MS)
offer the $AUD 30.00 for a WinXP SP3 retail CD like they did with SP2. Assuming SP3 is the
last Service Pack, if XP does go to 2014 (which is supposed to be two years past the 2012
Dooms Day), do you think we may also see SP4, SP5, SP5a, and SP5a + roll ups? In which case
I shall not purchase the $AUD 30.00 if they offer it.

- WindPipe
Robert Pendell - 27 Apr 2008 18:38 GMT
>> FWIW: I've instsalled SP3 final and have been running it for 24 hours
>> now...and found that there have been no problems at all.
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> - WindPipe

I highly doubt that.  They have already stated that this will be the
last service pack for Windows XP.

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Colin Barnhorst - 27 Apr 2008 19:11 GMT
What is the "2012 Dooms Day"?  I know of know 2012 event involving XP.

MS stated over a year ago that SP3 is the final service pack for XP.
Anything after this will be a rollup of updates for convenience of new users
but will not increase the service pack level.  The service pack is just a
means for taking the OS to a particular service pack level.  All updates
after SP3 will simply be updates to XP service pack level three.

Each service pack level is supported for two years after that level has been
supperceded by a newer service pack level.  XP at service pack level two
will be supported for two more years and then users will need to be at
service pack level three to continue to receive security updates.  Service
pack level three will be the level supported until the end of extended
support in 2014 since there will not be a newer service pack level to
supercede it.

Keep in mind that the service pack itself is not what is supported (except
for the support MS Product Support Service gives for its installation).
What receives ongoing support is the OS itself at a particular service pack
level.

>> FWIW: I've instsalled SP3 final and have been running it for 24 hours
>> now...and found that there have been no problems at all.
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> - WindPipe
PD43 - 27 Apr 2008 20:19 GMT
>What is the "2012 Dooms Day"?

WHAT?  You don't listen to "Coast to Coast" on late night talk
radio!?!??  The program all the UFO/ghost/Nostradamus whackos listen
to?

The Mayan calendar ended on 12.12.2012

You should get ready.  The end is near.
Colin Barnhorst - 27 Apr 2008 20:39 GMT
OK!  I'll tell my wife to stock up on MAYANaise.  We wouldn't want our
burgers to go wanting after 2012.

>>What is the "2012 Dooms Day"?
>
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> You should get ready.  The end is near.
WindPipe - 27 Apr 2008 23:58 GMT
> What is the "2012 Dooms Day"?  I know of know 2012 event involving XP.
>
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>> - WindPipe

Not XP related, just a few preachers of doom and cataclysms on YouTube, and a few very late
night shows stating the long awaited predictions of hunger, war, diseases, ... That for some
reason is coming in 2012. Suppose that will mean our XP machines will crash then too.

- WindPipe
xfile - 27 Apr 2008 15:10 GMT
Everything goes well and I also have a noticeable performance increase.

For those who have MUI installed, you need to uninstall KB925877 first.

> I must say that MS did a good job this time!

Indeed!!

> FWIW: I've instsalled SP3 final and have been running it for 24 hours
> now...and found that there have been no problems at all.
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> I must say that MS did a good job this time!
 
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