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Abay - 23 May 2008 02:48 GMT
Hello,

I don't know if this question is out of place here, and I apologise if it is
...  I think someone has put keylogging software on my system at the office
.. my question, how can I tell if this is the case?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Abay
David H. Lipman - 23 May 2008 03:09 GMT
From: "Abay" <abcd@aol.com>

| Hello,
|
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|
| Abay

An employer is allowed to do this and you should act as if one is installed.

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Ramone - 23 May 2008 03:18 GMT
I agree. You should always assume that your employer is tracking your every
move on a company computer. Any company that does this is wise and
responsible.

> From: "Abay" <abcd@aol.com>
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> An employer is allowed to do this and you should act as if one is
> installed.
Abay - 23 May 2008 07:11 GMT
I have nothing to hide, use my computer for work related issues only, so am
not worried, but would like to know if there is keylogging software on my pc
.. how can I tell if there is such software installed on my pic?

>I agree. You should always assume that your employer is tracking your every
>move on a company computer. Any company that does this is wise and
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>> An employer is allowed to do this and you should act as if one is
>> installed.
Shenan Stanley - 23 May 2008 07:26 GMT
> I don't know if this question is out of place here, and I
> apologise if it is ...  I think someone has put keylogging
> software on my system at the office .. my question, how can I
> tell if this is the case?
> Any help would be much appreciated.

David H. Lipman wrote:
> An employer is allowed to do this and you should act as if one is
> installed.

Ramone wrote:
> I agree. You should always assume that your employer is tracking
> your every move on a company computer. Any company that does this
> is wise and responsible.

> I have nothing to hide, use my computer for work related issues
> only, so am not worried, but would like to know if there is
> keylogging software on my pc .. how can I tell if there is such
> software installed on my pic?

Do you have administrative rights on said computer?

In any case - there is no 100% way to detect a keylogger.  It doesn't even
have to be software based - although if done by a business, that would
surely be the most efficient/easiest to distribute.  With one installed on
the computer - you could look for an unknown process or use filemon to check
for writes you are not doing... But the truth is - there is no easy way to
detect all keyloggers - and if it is one your company put into place - they
will have it as an exception in any virus scanning software that is
installed.

In other words - assumed you are being watched on your work PC.  Don't
assume you are not or care if you actually are or not.  After all - let's
say there was some sure-fire way of you discovering if there was currently a
keylogger on your work PC... It isn't there now...  How about in the next 5
minutes.  If it is a work PC and the admin knows anything about their job -
it can be installed on your computer anytime.  Removed as well.

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Ramone - 23 May 2008 07:29 GMT
Ask your employer. You wouldn't be out of line in doing so. Other than that,
maybe you can look in the task manager to see what's running.

>I have nothing to hide, use my computer for work related issues only, so am
>not worried, but would like to know if there is keylogging software on my
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>>> An employer is allowed to do this and you should act as if one is
>>> installed.
Abay - 25 May 2008 22:31 GMT
Many thanks to all for their responses, and yes I will ask by boss ..

> Ask your employer. You wouldn't be out of line in doing so. Other than
> that, maybe you can look in the task manager to see what's running.
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>>>> An employer is allowed to do this and you should act as if one is
>>>> installed.
Bruce Chambers - 23 May 2008 16:45 GMT
> I have nothing to hide, use my computer for work related issues only, so am
> not worried, but would like to know if there is keylogging software on my pc
> .. how can I tell if there is such software installed on my pic?

    Ask your employer?

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OldDuke - 24 May 2008 00:11 GMT
>I have nothing to hide, use my computer for work related issues only, so am
>not worried, but would like to know if there is keylogging software on my pc
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>>> An employer is allowed to do this and you should act as if one is
>>> installed.

Your original post had a correct statement - it does not belong HERE.

And frankly, you won't be able to tell.  That's the point.
Rene Brehmer - 28 May 2008 15:40 GMT
> From: "Abay" <abcd@aol.com>
>
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>
> An employer is allowed to do this and you should act as if one is installed.

They're only allowed if the employee is informed of the fact. Otherwise it
is illegal because the employee has not agreed to work under those
conditions.
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Shenan Stanley - 28 May 2008 16:15 GMT
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David H. Lipman wrote:
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> An employer is allowed to do this and you should act as if one is
> installed.

> They're only allowed if the employee is informed of the fact.
> Otherwise it is illegal because the employee has not agreed to work
> under those conditions.

Rene,

Actually - that depends on where the person works (country, etc.)

Also - as far as the employee being 'informed of the fact' - many times they
are informed but never know it.  Why?  Because when they were first hired
they signed a lot of paperwork they actually did not read and/or there is a
logon "security" message or at the top of the Internet Explorer window there
might be a message, etc...

So a lot of the times (the majority) it is not that they were not informed
or did not give their consent - it is that they did not pay attention...

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David H. Lipman - 28 May 2008 21:24 GMT
From: "Rene Brehmer" <rene@metalbunny.net>

>> An employer is allowed to do this and you should act as if one is installed.
|
| They're only allowed if the employee is informed of the fact. Otherwise it
| is illegal because the employee has not agreed to work under those
| conditions.

Maybe in your state but in general, that is NOT true.
The computer is an asset of the company any they are not required to inform employees of
*any* software installed on the company owned assets.

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HeyBub - 23 May 2008 16:36 GMT
> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> case?
> Any help would be much appreciated.

The easiest key-logger to detect is one that daisy-chains between the
keyboard and the computer. It stores keystrokes on its internal memory and
must be retrieved and drained periodically.

Then there are software key-loggers. Much more difficult to detect (if at
all). There are even some that can be accessed remotely to monitor what you
do in realtime.
 
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