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For several years I never updated Windows on my XP Home computer. A couple weeks ago I had SP3 installed, and today is the first time since then that Windows wants to update. I had asked for notification of updates, and I went to the update website to see what was there. Following is what I found. Does this appear to be something I should go ahead with? (I won't keep asking this question, but I'm still nervous about what to allow right away and what to hang back on.) <<Update for Windows XP (KB898461) 0 KB , 0 minutes (Downloaded; ready to install) This update installs a permanent copy of Package Installer for Windows to enable software updates to have a significantly smaller download size. The Package Installer facilitates the install of software updates for Microsoft Windows operating systems and other Microsoft products. After you install this update, you may have to restart your system.>> One odd thing (to me) is that, as far as I know, I asked only for notification, not for downloading. Thank you! Jo-Anne Crossposted to Windows Update newsgroup. [Background from previous threads: Jo-Anne had a shop install SP3, IE7, and NIS 2008. We do not know in what order they were installed or if the shop reinstalled Windows before installing SP3.] While the Applies To section of KB898461 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/898461 does not list WinXP SP3 (which leads us to assume that SP3 includes it), if it's being offered by Windows/Automatic Update, approve the installation, Jo-Anne. Let us know how you make out, please. As to the "Downloaded; ready to install" notice, is Automatic Updates configured for "Notify Only" or "Download then notify"? How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525 Windows Update-specific newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsupdate  Signature~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ > For several years I never updated Windows on my XP Home computer. A couple > weeks ago I had SP3 installed, and today is the first time since then that [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Jo-Anne Thank you very much! This is exactly what I wanted to know. I just looked at System Properties, and I had checked Notify Only. Does this mean, from what you said below, that SP3 downloaded the update? I'll go ahead with the install shortly. Thank you again, Jo-Anne > Crossposted to Windows Update newsgroup. > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> >> Jo-Anne >Thank you very much! This is exactly what I wanted to know. > >I just looked at System Properties, and I had checked Notify Only. Does this >mean, from what you said below, that SP3 downloaded the update? I'll go >ahead with the install shortly. "Notify Only" means that it only tells you when updates are available. You have to then tell it to download and install. >Thank you again, > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >>> >>> Jo-Anne > Thank you very much! This is exactly what I wanted to know. > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >>> >>> Jo-Anne There is a similar question about 898461 and 924764 in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general. Once you install the new installer per KB898461 the next windows update shows KB924764 is needed. I'm guessing, but it sounds like the installer was changed, and the timezone software (924764) was changed too. Both were offered to me in the Windows updates today in sequence. If AU is set to Notify Only, someone would have had to approve the download of KB898461 at some point, Jo-Anne. If you didn't approve it, other explanations that it's downloaded could include: 1. Norton Security Center (part of NIS 2008) has overridden your Automatic Updates setting (especially if Norton Security Center has also overridden Windows Security Center & settings [another reason I hate Norton apps]); 2. Someone may have changed AU setting to Download Then Notify; 3. KB898461 may have downloaded while the machine was in the shop and before AU was set to Notify Only or before NIS was installed; 4. The shop did a half-a**ed job installing SP3...and may have reinstalled Windows before installing SP3. Again, let us know what happens. Signature~PA Bear > Thank you very much! This is exactly what I wanted to know. > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >>> >>> Jo-Anne Things are getting stranger. First, I clicked on the Updates icon and said to go ahead--but what went ahead was, it claimed, a download (after I had been told at the Windows Update website that what it wanted to update had already been downloaded and just needed to be installed). After the download, I said OK to the install, and it seemed to install. (I haven't yet restarted the computer.) The Update icon, however, immediately began to notify me again that updates were ready for my computer. I went to the Updates website and was told I should install the high-priority update KB942763. I haven't done so yet but assume I should. But why didn't it do all the Updates at once? Also, Norton would have liked to override my Automatic Updates notify-only setting, but I unchecked that box, even though it warned me I was making my computer unsafe. My setting is definitely still notify-only. (The shop where I had SP3 installed didn't reinstall Windows; that's something I'm sure of.) Thanks again! Jo-Anne > If AU is set to Notify Only, someone would have had to approve the > download of KB898461 at some point, Jo-Anne. If you didn't approve it, [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] >>>> >>>> Jo-Anne Short answer: KB898461 needed to be installed before KB942763 could be offered/installed. Install the latter now. Sounds like you installed NIS, not the shop. > Things are getting stranger. First, I clicked on the Updates icon and said > to go ahead--but what went ahead was, it claimed, a download (after I had [quoted text clipped - 114 lines] >>>>> >>>>> Jo-Anne I installed the new Windows update as you suggested and restarted the computer, and all seems to be OK (I hope). Re Norton, Symantec installed the program for me after the shop installed SP3. I had had malware that I couldn't get rid of and paid Symantec to do it (the local shop would have reinstalled Windows, and I didn't want that). My old subscription was running out, and I was told if I bought any of the three 2008 programs, they would install it. Next year I'll ask for info on other security programs. Not sure which newsgroup; if you have any suggestions, let me know. Otherwise, I'll look around for one. (Actually, I could use one now, since I probably should install at least one anti-spyware program other than Norton.) Thank you very much for everything! Jo-Anne > Short answer: KB898461 needed to be installed before KB942763 could be > offered/installed. Install the latter now. [quoted text clipped - 123 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>> Jo-Anne So both of 'em installed? > ...I had had malware that I > couldn't get rid of and paid Symantec to do it (the local shop would have > reinstalled Windows, and I didn't want that). You probably didn't need Symantec's assistance to clean up the machine (and I'd have my doubts that they'd done so, unless they reinstalled Windows as the shop had wanted to do). In the future, you can post about any security-related problems & issues (e.g., uninstalling every trace of NIS when the time comes and replacing it with something that's not such a memory hog) in microsoft.public.security.homeusers newsgroup, Jo-Anne. We'll take care of you. Speaking of Norton and WinXP SP3, please consider http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleI d=9089658 Signature~PA Bear > I installed the new Windows update as you suggested and restarted the > computer, and all seems to be OK (I hope). Re Norton, Symantec installed [quoted text clipped - 149 lines] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jo-Anne Thank you again! Yes, both of them are installed, and so far so good. I had a terrible time with the malware, and it took Symantec 3.5 hours to get rid of it--mainly, I think, because Spybot (which I had on my computer but no longer do) seems not to play well with Norton. Two malware registry files that were supposed to have been deleted kept popping back up. I finally suggested uninstalling Spybot, and that did it. And then, a few days later, when I had Symantec install NIS, it took another 3 hours. The lady who had control of my computer couldn't seem to get rid of the old Norton Antivirus--and then couldn't install the new program either. She ended up doing it in Safe Mode as I recall. Not a great experience. And omigod, what happened with Norton and SP3 as reported in ComputerWorld is awful! Thank you also for the pointer to the security newsgroup. I've subscribed and am looking forward to learning more. Jo-Anne > So both of 'em installed? > [quoted text clipped - 175 lines] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jo-Anne >For several years I never updated Windows on my XP Home computer. A couple >weeks ago I had SP3 installed, and today is the first time since then that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >this question, but I'm still nervous about what to allow right away and what >to hang back on.) It's all very simple: do a system restore prior to installing anything. If something goes wrong, you can go back. ><<Update for Windows XP (KB898461) 0 KB , 0 minutes (Downloaded; ready to >install) This update installs a permanent copy of Package Installer for [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Jo-Anne No need: Installing the update will create a Restore Point automatically. >> For several years I never updated Windows on my XP Home computer. A >> couple [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> >> Jo-Anne |
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