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Cannot remove "Read Only" from folder

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Bob S - 29 May 2008 17:19 GMT
I have XP Media Center Edition with SP2 and have a folder which is read only
on my C: drive.  I want to change the name of the folder, so went to
properties of the folder and removed the dot from "Read Only".
Unfortunately, it did not seem to stick, since when I tried to rename the
folder, it denied access.  So, I checked properties again and found that it
was Read Only again.  How can I remove the "Read Only" attribute?  Thanks in
advance.
Bob
Jeff Johnson - 29 May 2008 19:09 GMT
>I have XP Media Center Edition with SP2 and have a folder which is read
>only on my C: drive.  I want to change the name of the folder, so went to
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>was Read Only again.  How can I remove the "Read Only" attribute?  Thanks
>in advance.

I thought folders themselves can't actually have the Read Only attribute and
its only purpose in the UI is to indicate if any FILES inside the folder
have that bit set. Unchecked = no read only files, grayed = some read only
files, checked = all files in folder are read only. Can someone confirm?
Terry R. - 29 May 2008 19:27 GMT
The date and time was 5/29/2008 9:19 AM, and on a whim, Bob S pounded
out on the keyboard:

> I have XP Media Center Edition with SP2 and have a folder which is read only
> on my C: drive.  I want to change the name of the folder, so went to
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> advance.
> Bob

Hi Bob,

What is the current folder name?  It's possible it was created by
Windows or a program and can't be renamed.

The "read only" issue you are seeing is normal.  You can't change it.
But that wouldn't prevent you from renaming the folder it was a user
created folder.  You may have to take ownership of it.

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Bob S - 29 May 2008 19:57 GMT
The current folder name is "Box 2".  It has 6 sub-folders in it, 2 of which
have subfolders themselves.  They all have pictures in them.  The folders
originally were on my son's computer.  We copied them across the home LAN to
my computer.  How do I take ownership of them.
Bob

> The date and time was 5/29/2008 9:19 AM, and on a whim, Bob S pounded out
> on the keyboard:
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> that wouldn't prevent you from renaming the folder it was a user created
> folder.  You may have to take ownership of it.
Bob I - 29 May 2008 20:04 GMT
Open Help and Support, and look up "take ownership". You will find the
instructions at the "take ownership of file or folder" link.

> The current folder name is "Box 2".  It has 6 sub-folders in it, 2 of which
> have subfolders themselves.  They all have pictures in them.  The folders
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>>that wouldn't prevent you from renaming the folder it was a user created
>>folder.  You may have to take ownership of it.
Bob S - 29 May 2008 21:03 GMT
The instructions told me to find (in Win explorer) the folder to get
ownership of and right-click properties, then click the security tab.
Unfortunately, I cannot find a "security" tab there.

> Open Help and Support, and look up "take ownership". You will find the
> instructions at the "take ownership of file or folder" link.
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>>>that wouldn't prevent you from renaming the folder it was a user created
>>>folder.  You may have to take ownership of it.
Bob I - 29 May 2008 22:17 GMT
This is from the Help two links down from the Take Ownership link

Change a file or folder's permission

To display the Security tab
Open Folder Options in Control Panel.
Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.
Double-click Folder Options
.
On the View tab, under Advanced settings, clear Use simple file sharing
[Recommended].

> The instructions told me to find (in Win explorer) the folder to get
> ownership of and right-click properties, then click the security tab.
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>>>>that wouldn't prevent you from renaming the folder it was a user created
>>>>folder.  You may have to take ownership of it.
Bob S - 29 May 2008 22:52 GMT
Thank you Bob I.  That certainly did the trick.  I now can see the security
tab and "take ownership" of the folder as you suggested below.  Thanks for
your patience and help.

> This is from the Help two links down from the Take Ownership link
>
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>>>>>But that wouldn't prevent you from renaming the folder it was a user
>>>>>created folder.  You may have to take ownership of it.
Bob I - 30 May 2008 13:35 GMT
Most welcome, have a great day!.

> Thank you Bob I.  That certainly did the trick.  I now can see the security
> tab and "take ownership" of the folder as you suggested below.  Thanks for
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>>>>>>But that wouldn't prevent you from renaming the folder it was a user
>>>>>>created folder.  You may have to take ownership of it.
John Wunderlich - 29 May 2008 20:04 GMT
> I have XP Media Center Edition with SP2 and have a folder which is
> read only on my C: drive.  I want to change the name of the
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> How can I remove the "Read Only" attribute?  Thanks in advance.
> Bob

See:

"You Cannot View or Change the Read-Only or System Attribute of Folders"
<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326549/en-us>

HTH,
 John
Tim Slattery - 29 May 2008 21:06 GMT
>I have XP Media Center Edition with SP2 and have a folder which is read only
>on my C: drive.  I want to change the name of the folder, so went to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>was Read Only again.  How can I remove the "Read Only" attribute?  Thanks in
>advance.

There is no read-only attribute for a directory. What you're seeing is
a shortcut to allow you to set or clear the attribute for all files in
the directory.

Each time you display this tab of the properties dialog, you're
looking at a 3-state box in its third state: neither set nor unset. On
my computer that shows as a green blob in the box. Click it once, and
the box is empty, that's the NO state. Click it again and a check
appears, that's the YES state. If you click OK or Apply when the box
is in the YES or NO state, the read-only attribute is set or cleared
(depending on whether you're in YES or NO state) for EVERY file in the
directory. But when you bring the box up again, you will again see it
in the third state.

If you bring up the same box for the individual files, you'll see the
result of what you've done.

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Bob S - 29 May 2008 21:47 GMT
Thank you Tim. I understand it now.  Earlier, I tried to change the name of
the folder and was denied access to change its name.  This happened several
times even after changing the state of the "Read Only" state of the files
beneath it to not read-only.  I also moved some files around within the file
structure under this folder and moved a few folders out from under this
folder. Then a few minutes ago I tried renaming it again (on a lark) and it
took it this time.  Do you have any idea why the system would NOT allow me
to change the name earlier, and/or why it would allow me to do it now?
Bob

>>I have XP Media Center Edition with SP2 and have a folder which is read
>>only
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> If you bring up the same box for the individual files, you'll see the
> result of what you've done.
Bob I - 29 May 2008 22:19 GMT
You may not change the name of a folder while something has files or
folders open that are contained within it.

> Thank you Tim. I understand it now.  Earlier, I tried to change the name of
> the folder and was denied access to change its name.  This happened several
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>>If you bring up the same box for the individual files, you'll see the
>>result of what you've done.
Bob S - 29 May 2008 23:03 GMT
Bob I., thank you for your help.  I have run into that many times with files
too.  That is, I have tried to delete them or rename them and been told that
some other program or process has control over them or has them open.
However, in many of those cases, and definitely in this case, I have not
been able to see anythng (process or program) that had control over the file
(or in this case folder).  I have a practice of closing all programs which I
do not have to have running at the time.  I may have found the culprit
through experience.  In this case, although I did not have any of the
pictures open at the time in which I was trying to change the name of the
folder, I HAD used "Windows Picture and Fax Viewer" (which comes with Win
XP) to view some of the pictures earlier.  In fact, this has been the case
in many of the instances with trying to delete or rename individual pictures
in the past as well.  Do you have any experience with this or have a
suggestion of what to do to get "Windows Picture and Fax Viewer" to release
control of the picture?  Thanks again.
Bob S.

> You may not change the name of a folder while something has files or
> folders open that are contained within it.
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>>>If you bring up the same box for the individual files, you'll see the
>>>result of what you've done.
Bob I - 30 May 2008 13:42 GMT
Patience? <grin> It seems more of an issue if the folders reside in/on
the desktop, and sometimes in the My Pictures folder if the pictures are
being added to the listing for screen savers and backgrounds. Seems the
more "automatic cutesy/pretty up" stuff the computer has enabled the
worse the problem. I generally kill most of that "fluff", and have few
issues.

> Bob I., thank you for your help.  I have run into that many times with files
> too.  That is, I have tried to delete them or rename them and been told that
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>>>>If you bring up the same box for the individual files, you'll see the
>>>>result of what you've done.
Bob S - 30 May 2008 16:43 GMT
Thanks again Bob.
Bob
> Patience? <grin> It seems more of an issue if the folders reside in/on the
> desktop, and sometimes in the My Pictures folder if the pictures are being
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>>>>>If you bring up the same box for the individual files, you'll see the
>>>>>result of what you've done.
 
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