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Windows Forum / Windows XP / General Topics 1 / July 2008installing windows xp in external hard drive
is it possible to install windows xp in external hard drive and make works normally as it was install in internal hard drive please help i am new at this Doing that will not boot your computer. In other words the answer is No  SignaturePeter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. > is it possible to install windows xp in external hard drive and make works > normally > as it was install in internal hard drive > > please help i am new at this Only if the external drives are either SATA or SCSI hosted. All USB peripherals are seen to Windows as removable. It's that attribute that prevents installation on USB external drives. > is it possible to install windows xp in external hard drive and make > works > normally > as it was install in internal hard drive > > please help i am new at this Really? I've always thought that if we can boot off USB flash drive we should be able to install Windows on external USB drive (as long as BIOS supports booting off USB). Maybe I'm wrong. > Only if the external drives are either SATA or SCSI hosted. > All USB peripherals are seen to Windows as removable. It's [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> please help i am new at this Some claim you can clone a working XP image onto a USB drive. However, XP's installer will never recognize a USB drive as a possible destination for installing. SATA, eSATA and SCSI drives in an external enclosure appear to XP as "Fixed" drives and are candidates for installing to. It's not that the drives are external so much as to XP they appear "Removable". > Really? I've always thought that if we can boot off USB flash drive we > should be able to install Windows on external USB drive (as long as BIOS [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>> >>> please help i am new at this Good to know. Thanks. > Some claim you can clone a working XP image onto a USB drive. > However, XP's installer will never recognize a USB drive as a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>>> >>>> please help i am new at this Only if you "whack" the ability of Windows to handle USB normally. In other words you prevent the normal Plug and play of USB and then the external booting can be used. So you give up a lot of USB's value for something of limited use. > Really? I've always thought that if we can boot off USB flash drive we > should be able to install Windows on external USB drive (as long as BIOS [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>> >>>please help i am new at this By "whack", I believe you mean choosing the option in the BIOS at startup to boot from USB media. That "whack" would last only until the next startup. That a USB-linked IDE or SATA hard drive could boot an OS was confirmed to me by Dell's Tech Support, so I assume that any motherboard with a BIOS that enables booting from USB media would also accommodate booting from a USB-connected external hard drive. But it's not clear that setting the BIOS to boot from USB would disable unused USB ports from use for plug-n-play devices. Do you know this to be a fact? *TimDaniels* > Only if you "whack" the ability of Windows to handle USB normally. In other > words you prevent the normal Plug and play of USB and then the external [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>>> >>>>please help i am new at this Windows will not install and boot on a USB drive unless you hack the installation. If you do some searching on the net you will find reports of some who have attempted to do this and the reports are mostly ones of failures or of less than spectacular results. To get this to work you have to change the way that Windows initializes the USB stack, a main problem being that the Session Manager creates the pagefile before the USB stack is fully initialized. It's an installation that isn't supported by Microsoft, but as I said, if you search the net you will find reports from some who claim to have done it along with their installation recipe. John > By "whack", I believe you mean choosing the option in the BIOS at > startup to boot from USB media. That "whack" would last only until [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >>>>> >>>>>please help i am new at this How about if one installed the OS to an internal hard drive and then cloned it to an external USB hard drive, or if the internal hard drive were merely physically moved to the external USB drive enclosure? IOW, if one separated the installation and bootup procedures - could the OS on the external USB hard drive be booted without a "whack"? *TimDaniels* > Windows will not install and boot on a USB drive unless you hack the > installation. If you do some searching on the net you will find reports of [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>>please help i am new at this No, that won't work, you still need to change the way the USB stack is initialized. John > How about if one installed the OS to an internal hard drive and then > cloned it to an external USB hard drive, or if the internal hard drive [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>please help i am new at this Interesting. The Dell "Level II" tech reps insisted that their systems that could boot from USB "devices" could boot from USB hard drives. But they didn't say *how* to boot them from a USB hard drive. It appears now that they were saying "if you hack the OS in one of our USB-bootable systems (and thus void the warranty), the system can be booted from a USB hard drive". Does this mean that if one sets the BIOS to boot from a USB RAM stick that one cannot use USB for a plug-n-play device while that setting is in effect? *TimDaniels* > No, that won't work, you still need to change the way the USB > stack is initialized. [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>please help i am new at this You can boot from a USB "device". You can boot on a USB floppy or a USB CD-ROM and install Windows to another non-USB hard disk when you boot with another device, but at the present time you cannot install any Windows desktop/server version to a USB hard disk without hacking the installation files and hacking the way Windows boots and loads/initializes the USB drivers. You may be able to install and boot other operating systems to a USB drive but this is not supported out of the box for Microsoft desktop/server operating systems, Microsoft does not support this boot method. As for the RAM stick question I think it would still be able to boot the computer and that you could use the USB drive, you can boot a PE version on a USB stick, the difference is that when you boot with the RAM stick you don't need to retrieve and write files to the USB hard disk while the computer is booting, once the OS on the stick is loaded if it has USB drivers then it should be able to read write to the USB hard drive. You should be able to find information about that on Bart's PE site and user forums, or on the Ultimate Boot Disks for Windows site. You can get a idea of what needs to be done to install and boot Windows on a USB drive here: http://www.ngine.de/index.jsp?pageid=4176 As Bob mentioned in his post, unless someone has very specific needs I don't much see the use of this booting method, not to mention that USB drives are about the slowest hard drives available, performance wise not the best for the operating system. John > Interesting. The Dell "Level II" tech reps insisted that their systems > that could boot from USB "devices" could boot from USB hard drives. [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>please help i am new at this Thanks for that explanation, John. As I understand it, then, only the data files could be *practically* kept on the USB hard drive, and the installed application programs themselves would have to be part of the BartPE OS on the RAM stck. True? *TimDaniels* > You can boot from a USB "device". You can boot on a USB floppy > or a USB CD-ROM and install Windows to another non-USB hard [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>please help i am new at this I don't have tons of experience with this but that is the way I understand it. Unless they are small self executing programs I don't know how they would run off the USB hard drive. No doubt the folks on Bart's user forums would be able to provide more information on the subject. John > Thanks for that explanation, John. As I understand it, then, only > the data files could be *practically* kept on the USB hard drive, [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>please help i am new at this No the BIOS boot setting has nothing to with the Plug and Play feature of Windows. WINDOWS CAN'T BE BOOTED AND RUN FROM A REMOVABLE DRIVE. You CAN boot from some OTHER operating system on a removable drive and use USB drives normally. JUST NOT WINDOWS. (caps for emphasis) > Interesting. The Dell "Level II" tech reps insisted that their systems > that could boot from USB "devices" could boot from USB hard drives. [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>please help i am new at this No, you will need to break, modify, hack or alter (whack) Windows so that it can no longer handle USB storage as a removable drive. In other words what you are doing is making it appear to Windows that the USB attached drive you want to boot from is really an internal drive. BUT that prevents you from using any other USB attached storage work normally. And the purpose of booting from the external drive would be? You can't move from system to system unless they were darn near identical systems. And if it was for security purposes, say locking up the harddrive in a safe at night to prevent theft of intellectual property, well a SATA, SCSI or IDE drive caddy or laptop drive is way more convenient and doesn't require hacking the operating system. > By "whack", I believe you mean choosing the option in the BIOS at > startup to boot from USB media. That "whack" would last only until [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >>>>> >>>>>please help i am new at this > is it possible to install windows xp in external hard drive and make > works normally > as it was install in internal hard drive > > please help i am new at this Only if there is a BIOS setting where you can tell it to boot from an external drive and the type of connection it uses: eg USB. Huh ??? SignaturePeter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. >> is it possible to install windows xp in external hard drive and make >> works normally [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Only if there is a BIOS setting where you can tell it to boot from an > external drive and the type of connection it uses: eg USB. |
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