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Gail Rossum - 19 Aug 2008 22:14 GMT I scanned my PC with Rescuer & of course I had 1000+errors that need to be fixed, for a price of course. My PC has some problems I am sure as its very sluggish, freezes from time to time. Very annoying to say the least. Should I pay the $30.00 & buy this or is there a free one out there also. I regularly "clean" out my PC but is this enough? Need your opinion. Gail
Gail Rossum - 19 Aug 2008 22:28 GMT this should have read "RegCure" not Rescuer (but that might help better)
>I scanned my PC with Rescuer & of course I had 1000+errors that need to be >fixed, for a price of course. My PC has some problems I am sure as its very >sluggish, freezes from time to time. Very annoying to say the least. Should >I pay the $30.00 & buy this or is there a free one out there also. I >regularly "clean" out my PC but is this enough? Need your opinion. > Gail John John (MVP) - 19 Aug 2008 22:32 GMT Keep your money in your pocket! These cleaners do more harm than good, chances are it will bug up your computer instead of fixing it.
John
> I scanned my PC with Rescuer & of course I had 1000+errors that need to be > fixed, for a price of course. My PC has some problems I am sure as its very > sluggish, freezes from time to time. Very annoying to say the least. Should > I pay the $30.00 & buy this or is there a free one out there also. I > regularly "clean" out my PC but is this enough? Need your opinion. > Gail Gail Rossum - 19 Aug 2008 22:38 GMT Thank You!
> Keep your money in your pocket! These cleaners do more harm than good, > chances are it will bug up your computer instead of fixing it. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> I regularly "clean" out my PC but is this enough? Need your opinion. >> Gail Daave - 19 Aug 2008 23:38 GMT >I scanned my PC with Rescuer & of course I had 1000+errors that need to >be fixed, for a price of course. My PC has some problems I am sure as >its very sluggish, freezes from time to time. Very annoying to say the >least. Should I pay the $30.00 & buy this or is there a free one out >there also. I regularly "clean" out my PC but is this enough? Need your >opinion. You are smart to ask this question. Registry "cleaners" often do harm, and it has never been demonstrated that they do any good. If you'd like to explore this topic more, this is a good thread:
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
Here are the three most common causes for PC slowness:
1. Malicious software (malware)
2. Certain programs that are designed to combat malware (e.g., Norton and McAfee). Ironically, they can slow things down because they simply use way too many resources. Sometime they cause conflicts with other programs. And their default mode is to scan your entire hard drive each time you boot up.
3. Too many of *certain types* of programs always running in the background -- with or without your knowledge.
4. Not enough RAM, which causes the PC to overly rely on the pagefile. A quick way to determine if this is happening is to open Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del) and click the Performance tab. Then note the three values under Commit Charge (K): in the lower left-hand corner: Total, Limit, and Peak.
The Total figure represents the amount of memory you are using at that very moment. The Peak figure represents the highest amount of memory you used since last bootup. If both these figures are below the value of Physical Memory (K) Total, then you probably have plenty of RAM. Otherwise, you may want to explore this further by running Page File Monitor for Windows XP:
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_pagefilemon.htm
Everything you need to know to address the other three issues and more can be found at these links:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/slowcom.htm
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Viruses_Malware
PA Bear [MS MVP] - 20 Aug 2008 02:41 GMT Think your Registry needs "cleaning" or "repairing"? Read http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.
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> I scanned my PC with Rescuer & of course I had 1000+errors that need to be > fixed, for a price of course. My PC has some problems I am sure as its [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > regularly "clean" out my PC but is this enough? Need your opinion. > Gail Bruce Chambers - 20 Aug 2008 03:21 GMT > I scanned my PC with Rescuer & of course I had 1000+errors that need to be > fixed, for a price of course. My PC has some problems I am sure as its very > sluggish, freezes from time to time. Very annoying to say the least. Should > I pay the $30.00 & buy this or is there a free one out there also. I > regularly "clean" out my PC but is this enough? Need your opinion. > Gail A registry cleaner - even a safe one, should such ever be developed - is an exercise in, at best, futility. There is no real need for registry cleaners, other than to provide a profit to their manufacturers. On rare occasions, registry cleaners can be, in the hands of a skilled technician, useful, time-saving diagnostic tools. Otherwise, they're nothing but snake oil.
Why do you even think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry cleaner?
If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.
The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every change.
Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all. Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no matter how safe they claim to be.
More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.
Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits.
I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use. Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user.
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Ken Blake - 20 Aug 2008 16:42 GMT >I scanned my PC with Rescuer & of course I had 1000+errors that need to be >fixed, for a price of course. My PC has some problems I am sure as its very >sluggish, freezes from time to time. Very annoying to say the least. Should >I pay the $30.00 & buy this No!
> or is there a free one out there also. Don't do that either.
> I regularly "clean" out my PC but is this enough? Need your opinion. Look elsewhere for the cause of your sluggishness and freezing. It's not that the registry needs cleaning. All such programs should be avoided like the plague. What it calls "registry errors" are not really errors, but probably just orphaned, unused entries, that don't represent any kind of problem.
I strongly recommend *against* use of registry cleaners. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.
The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit it may have.
Dave Head - 21 Aug 2008 17:54 GMT > >I scanned my PC with Rescuer & of course I had 1000+errors that need to be > >fixed, for apriceof course. My PC has some problems I am sure as its very [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit it may > have. Regcure works GREAT.
But...
The website quotes $29.95, but when you actually authorize payment, takes $39.95 out of your paypal account.
Additionally, as explained _nowhere_ in any of the websites that I can find, the price for the software is for 1 year. It stops working after that, and you HAVE TO BUY IT AGAIN.
I think that, although the software works better than any similar PC help software that I've ever purchased, the marketing overall is fraudulent. I won't be buying it _again_. When it dies next year, if I want to make my machine run faster, I'll just reload the operating system and shed all the spyware, malware, broken registry links, etc., etc at that time. That's what having a big external backup disk is for...
John John (MVP) - 21 Aug 2008 19:30 GMT > Regcure works GREAT. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > find, the price for the software is for 1 year. It stops working > after that, and you HAVE TO BUY IT AGAIN. Oh, it works great for the ones who are filling their pockets and fraudulently advertising one price and then charging a different higher price when suckers buy their useless software! As if that isn't bad enough after one year the crap probably highjacks the unsuspecting suckers computer and demands another payment! Oh yes, what a great little scam...
Other than that what makes you think that this fraudulent piece of junk works "great"? Like all other registry cleaners not only is this one dangerous and useless but it is also a scam! Has any one informed Paypal about the billing practices of these crooks?
John
Dave Head - 21 Aug 2008 23:46 GMT > > Regcure works GREAT.
> Other than that what makes you think that this fraudulent piece of junk > works "great"?
> John Because I put it on my laptop last year, ran it, and the speedup in responses to mouse clicks and web page accesses was akin to putting a supercharger on a V8 engine. My computer worked better than it had for a long time.
Dave
Daave - 22 Aug 2008 03:22 GMT On Aug 21, 2:30 pm, "John John (MVP)" <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
> Dave Head wrote: > >>> Regcure works GREAT.
>> Other than that what makes you think that this fraudulent piece of >> junk >> works "great"? >> >> John
> Because I put it on my laptop last year, ran it, and the speedup in > responses to mouse clicks and web page accesses was akin to putting > a supercharger on a V8 engine. My computer worked better than it > had for a long time. Dave, is it possible you cleaned out your Temporary Internet Files at around the same time?
And John, it appears your post was filtered by Microsoft!
John John (MVP) - 22 Aug 2008 03:33 GMT > On Aug 21, 2:30 pm, "John John (MVP)" <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > And John, it appears your post was filtered by Microsoft! Won't be the first time ;-) It doesn't bother me any more than that, I can always post in Morse code if I have to! One of my comment was that I was surprised that nobody reported the outfit to PayPal, advertising one price and charging a higher one when doing the transaction.
John
PA Bear [MS MVP] - 22 Aug 2008 05:57 GMT <snip>
>> And John, it appears your post was filtered by Microsoft! > > Won't be the first time ;-) cf. http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/5e62fb1dad eab964
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Daave - 22 Aug 2008 14:11 GMT > <snip> >>> And John, it appears your post was filtered by Microsoft! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cf. > http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/5e62fb1dad eab964 I wonder if it had something to do with the word suckers?
Daave - 22 Aug 2008 18:09 GMT >> <snip> >>>> And John, it appears your post was filtered by Microsoft! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I wonder if it had something to do with the word [*censored*]? Apparently!
John John (MVP) - 22 Aug 2008 18:54 GMT >>><snip> >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Apparently! I guess from now on we will have to call them P.T. Barnum customers!
John
Daave - 22 Aug 2008 20:54 GMT >>>><snip> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I guess from now on we will have to call them P.T. Barnum customers! There's one born every minute. ;-)
You know, it really is annoying when this happens. I've had posts censored as well, and AFAICT, there was no reason at all for that to have happened. But there apparently is a filter that is not quite ready for prime time. I might just use my ISP's news server exclusively. Then when posts don't appear on the MS news server (including mine), I just won't know; therfore, I won't be annoyed!
Dave Head - 22 Aug 2008 17:03 GMT On Aug 21, 10:22 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote:
> On Aug 21, 2:30 pm, "John John (MVP)" <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Dave, is it possible you cleaned out your Temporary Internet Files at > around the same time? As I recall, I had already done all that standard sort of thing, along with a defrag, etc. Then I stuck this regcure thing on the laptop and it took off like a rocket. Dunno... don't ask me... it didn't much help on the desktop when I used it earlier this week, but on the laptop, it was like nitromethane in the gas tank.
> And John, it appears your post was filtered by Microsoft! Daave - 23 Aug 2008 14:48 GMT > On Aug 21, 10:22 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> > wrote:
>> Dave, is it possible you cleaned out your Temporary Internet Files at >> around the same time? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > help on the desktop when I used it earlier this week, but on the > laptop, it was like nitromethane in the gas tank. I'll bet your performance improved because of the deletion of temp files followed by the defrag.
Dave Head - 23 Aug 2008 18:29 GMT > > On Aug 21, 10:22 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I'll bet your performance improved because of the deletion of temp files > followed by the defrag. Uhhh,,, if the problem had been cured by that, then why would I have continued to try to solve it by buying Regcure?
Daave - 23 Aug 2008 20:00 GMT On Aug 23, 9:48 am, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote:
>> I'll bet your performance improved because of the deletion of temp >> files followed by the defrag.
> Uhhh,,, if the problem had been cured by that, then why would I have > continued to try to solve it by buying Regcure? Because you apparently believe in Regcure's placebo effect. Hey, it's your money.
In case you ever want to learn what *really* causes sluggishness and how to improve performance, see:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/slowcom.htm
Dave Head - 24 Aug 2008 02:58 GMT > On Aug 23, 9:48 am, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Because you apparently believe in Regcure's placebo effect. Hey, it's > your money. Hey, believe whatever you want, since you've apparently made a religion out of this. I'm just telling you my experience.
Daave - 24 Aug 2008 08:09 GMT On Aug 23, 3:00 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote:
>> On Aug 23, 9:48 am, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> Because you apparently believe in Regcure's placebo effect. Hey, it's >> your money.
> Hey, believe whatever you want, since you've apparently made a > religion out of this. I'm just telling you my experience. If you are not interesting in learning, I won't waste any more of my time. Godspeed.
Dave Head - 24 Aug 2008 10:42 GMT > On Aug 23, 3:00 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > If you are not interesting in learning, I won't waste any more of my > time. Godspeed.- Hide quoted text - Not much interested in learning something from someone that, when given facts that happen to disagree with his own beliefs, thinks he can change the facts, and irrationally clings to his beliefs...
John John (MVP) - 24 Aug 2008 14:57 GMT >>On Aug 23, 3:00 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > given facts that happen to disagree with his own beliefs, thinks he > can change the facts, and irrationally clings to his beliefs... The facts just don't support your argument. While it is possible, a one in 14 million chance, that an obscure registry entry might have slowed down your computer and that a registry cleaner would have found and removed the entry, this is more of a fluke than anything else! More often than not these registry cleaners do more harm than good and the one in 14 million time that they might slightly help does not change the overall bad track record that those mostly useless applications have! Also, that you call this application a "great" one and that you would recommend what is nothing but a scam (expires after one year, advertise one price then charge a higher one...) to other users leaves a great deal to be questioned about your recommendations!
John
Dave Head - 24 Aug 2008 15:21 GMT >>>On Aug 23, 3:00 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >John I'm not saying that registry cleaners in general are a great thing. All I'm saying is that I tried all the standard stuff, like deleting temp files, doing virus scans, adware scans, etc. and my computer was still painfully slow. Then I used this Regcure thing and the computer took off like a rocket. That's all.
BTW, deleting cookies and temporary internet files has NEVER, EVER helped make my computer faster. Ever. All that ever happens is that multiple sites that used to know some useful things about my activities with them "forget" them, and I have to either remember them or look them up again.
Dave Head - 24 Aug 2008 15:39 GMT >>>On Aug 23, 3:00 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >John Oh, btw, virus scanners have NEVER found a virus in my computer EXCEPT for one that a buddy brought over on a CD of ham radio utilities. That he downloaded. I don't download squat for "free" 'cuz it eventually doesn't turn out to be "free" - it has crap like that in it - with the exception being when the stuff is recommended by commercial sites such as ZDNet or commonly known to be good stuff from word of mouth by users that have tried it already. IOW, I don't go google and start downloading executables. I mostly _buy_ the utilities I want. THose don't have viruses. Mostly...
Even with virus scanners and adware detectors, my computer died last September from some piece of the OS that it couldn't find any more. I gave the thing to Geek Squad and it took them the entire month of September to finally figure out that they couldn't save the whole environment, give up and reinstall Win XP, and replaced one CD drive that _may_ have been a problem. And that's with Norton and Ad-Aware working. Fortunately, I just reinstalled everything from the original install disks, and restored everything I needed from the backups. I had 100% backup. Backups are _waaaay_ more effective than virus scanners at protecting data. My backup software, Stomp BackupMyPC (alias Veritas), doesn't like to create 150 gigabyte backups, so I have to divide it into "Disk C:", "Disk D: without photos", and "Disk D: photos". Just did Disk C: this morning after the gold medal basketball game - get the thing going, and it'll backup 56 Gb in a couple hours. Wake up and its done. Now for disk D and its photos and other stuff... ESata makes this go really much faster than USB 2.0.
John John (MVP) - 24 Aug 2008 17:06 GMT >>>>On Aug 23, 3:00 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > [snip] ??? What does this have to do with Registry Cleaners? This is quite a veering off course...
> Even with virus scanners and adware detectors, my computer died last September > from some piece of the OS that it couldn't find any more. I gave the thing to > Geek Squad and it took them the entire month of September to finally figure out > that they couldn't save the whole environment, give up and reinstall Win XP Pretty well figures... it took those dingbats a whole month to figure things out and reinstall Windows! If you have to rely on these guys to fix your computer you are indeed desperate, they are about the last ones I would ever recommend anyone ask or trust with their computer repair. Maybe the reason the computer failed was because you ran registry cleaners on it and then quite understandably it wouldn't be a surprise if the "squad" couldn't fix it, I will have to give them the benefit of doubt on that one.
John
Dave Head - 24 Aug 2008 17:45 GMT >>>>>On Aug 23, 3:00 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >??? What does this have to do with Registry Cleaners? This is quite a >veering off course... The link posted by Daave a couple exchanges ago:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/slowcom.htm
goes thru the whole standard stuff about anti-adware, anti-virus, erasing temp files and cookies, etc. etc. That's what I was responding to.
>> Even with virus scanners and adware detectors, my computer died last September >> from some piece of the OS that it couldn't find any more. I gave the thing to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Pretty well figures... it took those dingbats a whole month to figure >things out and reinstall Windows! I was imploring them NOT to destroy all the setups I had on the computer. I knew it would take weeks to get them all back. Actually, I still don't have everything reinstalled, but of course those are things I rarely used.
>If you have to rely on these guys to >fix your computer you are indeed desperate, they are about the last ones >I would ever recommend anyone ask or trust with their computer repair. Its them or the privateers around here. IOW, they're the only ones I know of with a large corp behind them that (more than likely) sponsors update training, etc. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. And, anyway, they seemed pretty good to me - at least as knowledgable as the guys at work, etc. I've been thoroughly unimpress with MANY supposed sources of this knowledge, since there generally seems to be no one that knows what to do about the "access denied" problems I get in my NTFS-formatted laptop. I finally had to google and figure that out myself. I _REALLY_ hate file permission nonsense in a home computer - gimmie Win 95, that just does what I tell it to, when I tell it to (unless its crashed, of course, but at least it doesn't have built-in things that keep me from doing what I want to do...)
>Maybe the reason the computer failed was because you ran registry >cleaners on it Nope - this computer has never seen a registry cleaner until last week. I have to be on the edge of considering a complete reinstall before I'd consider something like that, since I half-expect it to completely hose the system anyway. Use only after a full backup...
>and then quite understandably it wouldn't be a surprise >if the "squad" couldn't fix it, I will have to give them the benefit of >doubt on that one. Naw, the damn thing just died from general rot after working pretty good, although slowly at times, for about 4 years without much of any attention. 2003 -> 2007 ain't too bad - my buddy out in California reinstalls his Windows on a regular basis - he claims that it just corrodes naturally with use. I'm beginning to believe him.
>John Daave - 21 Aug 2008 23:06 GMT > Regcure works GREAT. Yeah, it works GREAT at separating a fool from his money.
> But... > > The website quotes $29.95, but when you actually authorize payment, > takes $39.95 out of your paypal account. Q.E.D.
Bruce Chambers - 22 Aug 2008 02:14 GMT >>> I scanned my PC with Rescuer & of course I had 1000+errors that need to be >>> fixed, for apriceof course. My PC has some problems I am sure as its very [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Regcure works GREAT. How can it possibly work "great" when it (like all other so-called registry cleaners) does absolutely nothing useful?
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